Interesting baseball note....

[preachermatt83]

So you are willing to pull against Ray but not against Cohen? Prejudice much?

You don't get to define the terms, as I'm not on the record making outlandish predictions for the basketball team this year. Too much of postseason opportunity is outside of our control as a team with the way the league is currently perceived. 18 wins which shows clear improvement. May be willing to go 19 or even 20 as I continue to get more practice reports.

we will not win 18 games this year.

[engie]

we will not win 18 games this year.

Well then that settles it. There's your bet.

[preachermatt83]

No racist undertones to this at all**

"I'll NEVER pull against my team, but actually I am pulling against my team as we speak". I'd love for you to define actual similarities between Ray and Croom outside of race -- if you can -- which I already know you can't and will destroy when you try.

race has nothing to do with it.. easiest similarity is obvious,
1)neither of them wins. Ray Win Pct. .369 SEC- .194 Croom Win Pct. .358 SEC- .250
2)Another glaring similarity is the number of players that leave the program under them both.
3)And a third... Both have overly conservative offensive approach

[engie]

race has nothing to do with it.. easiest similarity is obvious,
1)neither of them wins. Ray Win Pct. .369 SEC- .194 Croom Win Pct. .358 SEC- .250
2)Another glaring similarity is the number of players that leave the program under them both.
3)And a third... Both have overly conservative offensive approach

1) Ray hasn't had a chance yet. Why don't you post Cohen's first 2 years for good measure. Wait, I forgot, you actually STILL think he sucks too.
2) Where are all these players that are allegedly leaving? We processed 1 and had 1 leave in the last calendar year. There were 541 transfers in D1 basketball last year. Ray has "lost" 1 player since the initial housecleaning.
3) You thought he was going to go 60 minutes of offensive hell without a true point guard when Ready was down and ONE center on roster? The fact that you comment on this while being either so naive or ignorant to situational realities is the primary thing that bothers me about your posting. Preacher pls.

1) Ray is NOTHING like Croom in personality. He is JUST like Cohen and Mullen. Hard-nosed and edgy.
2) Ray is NOTHING like Croom on the recruiting trail. Croom didn't use visits his first year and was falling asleep on coiches -- Ray is recruiting his ass off effortwise and it's starting to pay off with Weatherspoon and Tookie, and likely Newman and Hicks in the near future.
3) Ray has shown himself to be a very good x's and o's coach in situations where he's had the horses, which has been rare so far. He is a better floor coach and gameplanning coach than Stans was -- and that will start to come into focus now that he has enough bodies to fully implement what he wants to do.

Go ahead and say you accept the 18 game deal so I can rest easy knowing the board will be a better place in 7 months.

[preachermatt83]

1) Ray hasn't had a chance yet. Why don't you post Cohen's first 2 years for good measure. Wait, I forgot, you actually STILL think he sucks too.
2) Where are all these players that are allegedly leaving? We processed 1 and had 1 leave in the last calendar year. There were 541 transfers in D1 basketball last year. Ray has "lost" 1 player since the initial housecleaning.
3) You thought he was going to go 60 minutes of offensive hell without a true point guard when Ready was down and ONE center on roster? The fact that you comment on this while being either so naive or ignorant to situational realities is the primary thing that bothers me about your posting. Preacher pls.

1) Ray is NOTHING like Croom in personality. He is JUST like Cohen and Mullen. Hard-nosed and edgy.
2) Ray is NOTHING like Croom on the recruiting trail. Croom didn't use visits his first year and was falling asleep on coiches -- Ray is recruiting his ass off effortwise and it's starting to pay off with Weatherspoon and Tookie, and likely Newman and Hicks in the near future.
3) Ray has shown himself to be a very good x's and o's coach in situations where he's had the horses, which has been rare so far. He is a better floor coach and gameplanning coach than Stans was -- and that will start to come into focus now that he has enough bodies to fully implement what he wants to do.

Go ahead and say you accept the 18 game deal so I can rest easy knowing the board will be a better place in 7 months.

accepted. SEC tourney not included.(not that it matters, I doubt we win 14 games in regular season)

[engie]

accepted. SEC tourney not included.(not that it matters, I doubt we win 14 games in regular season)

We can gladly make it 14 if you'd like.

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

I love a good cripple fight....

[preachermatt83]

I love a good cripple fight....

I laughed!! Hahahaha!!

[tcdog70]

No racist undertones to this at all**

"I'll NEVER pull against my team, but actually I am pulling against my team as we speak". I'd love for you to define actual similarities between Ray and Croom outside of race -- if you can -- which I already know you can't and will destroy when you try.

Engie-you cant help but be a Dick. bringing up racism is pretty shitty. I think a ray vs Croom comparison is pretty accurate and doesn't have shit to do with Race. if Ray doesn't want to be compared to the worst Coach in MSU History then win some fricking Games. here is some comparisons--Can't Win-can't recruit-causes His fan Base to become apathetic (no Butts in the stands) --Hmm just alike.

[preachermatt83]

Engie-you cant help but be a Dick. bringing up racism is pretty shitty. I think a ray vs Croom comparison is pretty accurate and doesn't have shit to do with Race. if Ray doesn't want to be compared to the worst Coach in MSU History then win some fricking Games. here is some comparisons--Can't Win-can't recruit-causes His fan Base to become apathetic (no Butts in the stands) --Hmm just alike.

if you don't agree with every little thing engie says he resorts to that kind of stuff.

[maroonmania]

Engie-you cant help but be a Dick. bringing up racism is pretty shitty. I think a ray vs Croom comparison is pretty accurate and doesn't have shit to do with Race. if Ray doesn't want to be compared to the worst Coach in MSU History then win some fricking Games. here is some comparisons--Can't Win-can't recruit-causes His fan Base to become apathetic (no Butts in the stands) --Hmm just alike.

I agree pulling the race card up in the discussion is pretty bush league. Croom didn't win and neither has Ray so far. If Croom had won he would have been revered and the same can be said of Ray no matter what skin color he has. However, just like Cohen, Ray will be given every opportunity to show things are turning around and going in the right direction because he will have, at minimum, this year and next year before we would even consider making a change.

[engie]

if you don't agree with every little thing engie says he resorts to that kind of stuff.

No -- I resort to that kind of stuff when I perceive it as true.

Kinda like when the preacher says one thing, then turns around and goes completely against his word 2 minutes later in his next post... Nothing hypocritical about that.

[engie]

Engie-you cant help but be a Dick. bringing up racism is pretty shitty. I think a ray vs Croom comparison is pretty accurate and doesn't have shit to do with Race. if Ray doesn't want to be compared to the worst Coach in MSU History then win some fricking Games. here is some comparisons--Can't Win-can't recruit-causes His fan Base to become apathetic (no Butts in the stands) --Hmm just alike.

They are nothing whatsoever alike -- and the insightfulness of fans can easily be discerned from their inability to see that.

Anyone whose mind is 100% made up on Ray based on what's happened so far is pushing an AGENDA beyond the reality of the situation or any of the actual tangible data that we have to analyze it. I'm not sorry for calling it like I see it beyond that.

[preachermatt83]

They are nothing whatsoever alike -- and the insightfulness of fans can easily be discerned from their inability to see that.

Anyone whose mind is 100% made up on Ray based on what's happened so far is pushing an AGENDA beyond the reality of the situation. Sorry I'm not sorry for calling it like I see it.

an agenda? You are an idiot. The only agenda I have is trying to have a basketball team that is not an embarrassment and one that will put fans in the seats.

[engie]

an agenda? You are an idiot. The only agenda I have is trying to have a basketball team that is not an embarrassment and one that will put fans in the seats.

There you go being hypocritical again.

Please spell out the manner in which you are trying to make our basketball team successful?

Calling them embarrassments and calling for the firing of a coach that's on the verge of a breakthrough that's trying to woo one of the top recruits in the country is what you call a logical path to success?

[Joe Schmedlap]

I don't care if Tony Larussa is coaching, having britton's arm wasted at 2nd is stupid. Period.

I tend to agree, but this is fall ball - time for experimenting.

[tcdog70]

They are nothing whatsoever alike -- and the insightfulness of fans can easily be discerned from their inability to see that.

Anyone whose mind is 100% made up on Ray based on what's happened so far is pushing an AGENDA beyond the reality of the situation or any of the actual tangible data that we have to analyze it. I'm not sorry for calling it like I see it beyond that.

Shit Engie, you got Me. I do have an agenda--Mine is to see MSU get back to being a top 4 Team in the SEC. And a team that when they play in the NIT their fans are pissed. My mind is 100% made up that so far Ray ain't hitting on shit.