Msu-Osu part 2

[TexasDawg]

How can you be 100% sure that is a bad call? There is a reason he has barely pitched this year, he was recovering from injury. If he is back to 100% healthy, as it seems he could be, the kid is a hell of a pitcher. First team freshman All-American last year.

And if ya want stats on a healthy Fry here ya go

2012 as a Frshman- Went 5-3 with a 2.45 ERA in 13 games, all starts ... Struck out 53 in 88 1/3 innings and allowed 68 hits, with seven going for extra bases ... Threw three complete games and one shutout

[msstate7]

How can you be 100% sure that is a bad call? There is a reason he has barely pitched this year, he was recovering from injury. If he is back to 100% healthy, as it seems he could be, the kid is a hell of a pitcher. First team freshman All-American last year.

And if ya want stats on a healthy Fry here ya go

2012 as a Frshman- Went 5-3 with a 2.45 ERA in 13 games, all starts ... Struck out 53 in 88 1/3 innings and allowed 68 hits, with seven going for extra bases ... Threw three complete games and one shutout

I don't necessarily think he would be a bad starter for them. My question is how long can they expect him to last after having the whole year off. Would they follow him with Moore or their bullpen?

[TexasDawg]

My thinking would be that they try to save Moore for Saturday

[Will James]

How can you be 100% sure that is a bad call? There is a reason he has barely pitched this year, he was recovering from injury. If he is back to 100% healthy, as it seems he could be, the kid is a hell of a pitcher. First team freshman All-American last year.

And if ya want stats on a healthy Fry here ya go

2012 as a Frshman- Went 5-3 with a 2.45 ERA in 13 games, all starts ... Struck out 53 in 88 1/3 innings and allowed 68 hits, with seven going for extra bases ... Threw three complete games and one shutout

Ok so let's put Woodruff out there, he's supposed to be pretty good*

Those 2012 numbers are decent, but what has he done post-tommy john? Not shit.
And this isn't looking at it in a vacuum of if he can merely start, this is a win or go home with their other kid who is 14-1 with a 1.57 ERA in 17 starts, healthy, sitting right there.

If they start Fry it's 100% dumb and I will be 100% thrilled.

[SaltyDawg]

There may be a reason but it might not be a good one. There is a reason that Croom and Polk II were hired, did that make it right? "A reason" is irrelevant.

Not only are you bringing in examples college football, but also LT hires? Nice. Way to prove a point, jackass.

I wasn't aware that coaches make the right calls in all situations in every sport.
"Coaches know more about the sport than me so I won't ever form an opinion" - Salty

Their coach has made enough right decisions to get them to the CWS as a #3 national seed. I do form an opinion on a lot of things, but only when I know enough about the situation- unlike you who thinks that stats tell the whole story.

Yes I can say with 100% certainity that if they start Jace Fry, who has faced 19 batters this season, that it is a bad call.

Just like you said with 100% certainty that Chad Girodo wouldn't do anything for us this year in baseball? Ya know, cause stats and production and whatnot. I could link the thread on SPS if you wanted to be embarassed.

[TexasDawg]

If they start Fry it's 100% dumb and I will be 100% thrilled.

The fact of the matter is that if he is healthy, and only the coaching staff would know, then he is a damn good pitcher. I find it hard to believe that the HC of the #3 national seeded team, and a man who has won 2 National Titles would pitch a guy that would be just about guaranteed to send him home packing. I just tend to believe he knows more about his pitching staff than you do.

[Will James]

Not only are you bringing in examples college football, but also LT hires? Nice. Way to prove a point, jackass.



Their coach has made enough right decision to get them to the CWS as a #3 national seed. I do form an opinion on a lot of things, but only when I know enough about the situation- unlike you who thinks that stats tell the whole story.



Just like you said with 100% certainty that Chad Girodo wouldn't do anything for us this year in baseball? Ya know, cause stats and production and whatnot. I could link the thread on SPS if you wanted to be embarassed.

I'm still waiting on an actual reason why Fry would be a good start in a win or go home over Moore. I doubt I will get one from you. Embarrassed? I ate my crow on Girodo. Unlike you I'm not afraid to have an opinion, as it will be right way more often than not.

[Will James]

I just tend to believe he knows more about his pitching staff than you do.

Oh my God can we ban this phrase?

Anytime I have an opinion on here you trolls come out from under your bridge with this "well he's a coach so he knows". Make your own damn points if you disagree with me don't fall back on that. Its a cop-out.

I just want to know from somebody why Fry is a better option than Moore? and PS saving him for Saturday doesn't count, not in a win or go home. We have the luxury of saving Kendall if we want to.

[SaltyDawg]

I'm still waiting on an actual reason why Fry would be a good start in a win or go home over Moore. I doubt I will get one from you. Embarrassed? I ate my crow on Girodo. Unlike you I'm not afraid to have an opinion, as it will be right way more often than not.

Fry might go 1 inning and give way to Moore. Like I said, you have no clue what they are going to do because you are not informed. Meaning you are forming an opinion based on a K/BB ratio? Give me a ****ing break.

[TexasDawg]

I never said Fry was a better option. What I was getting at is that it is ****ing stupid to say you are 100% positive that Fry is a terrible choice. When healthy he has proven that he can sling it. Now I don't know if he's healthy, and you don't know if he's healthy. The coaching staff sure as hell knows though. It is just very hard to believe a two time National Champion would pitch somebody who is a hindrance to his team.

[Will James]

Fry might go 1 inning and give way to Moore. Like I said, you have no clue what they are going to do because you are not informed. Meaning you are forming an opinion based on a K/BB ratio? Give me a ****ing break.

See, you can't even follow. The K/BB ratio was talking about Child, not Fry.

Tell me why it would be smart to let Fry get one inning? All Im asking of you is to justify how Fry over Moore is a good idea.. You can't.

[SaltyDawg]

See, you can't even follow. The K/BB ratio was talking about Child, not Fry.

Tell me why it would be smart to let Fry get one inning? All Im asking of you is to justify how Fry over Moore is a good idea.. You can't.

Sorry, it's sometimes hard to weed through the immense amount of bullshit in your posts.

My original argument was based on stats not telling you everything- go back and read. And then I went on to say that if Moore wasn't starting then there was a reason. What reason? Hell, I don't know- but there is a reason nonetheless and probably a good one considering it is a win or go home game.

[theloungeinleft]

See, you can't even follow. The K/BB ratio was talking about Child, not Fry.

Tell me why it would be smart to let Fry get one inning? All Im asking of you is to justify how Fry over Moore is a good idea.. You can't.

Do your formulas and stats work for all sports? if so, I've been wondering why Les Miles started Jefferson over Lee in the national championship for about a year and a half now?...

[theloungeinleft]

Bwahaha I sure hope so. Look at that K/BB rate for the righty in Engies post. And the lefty has 4 innings.

hahahaha i know right?!?! Silly them.

[FreeBoosie]

[Bo Darville]

Oh my God can we ban this phrase?

Anytime I have an opinion on here you trolls come out from under your bridge with this "well he's a coach so he knows". Make your own damn points if you disagree with me don't fall back on that. Its a cop-out.

I just want to know from somebody why Fry is a better option than Moore? and PS saving him for Saturday doesn't count, not in a win or go home. We have the luxury of saving Kendall if we want to.

I'm in agreement with you Will on the pitching issues. I will say that "he's a coach so he knows" is not always a cop-out. We saw that with Porter. Cohen knew of the eye issue because he was the coach. You did not know of it. I knew of it but was not going to spill it on a message board until Trey was ready to make it known. You called me a moron for it and harassed me a little in chat, but I'm a big boy and can take it. Aren't we all glad Porter didn't turn his shit in and quit, as some said he should? He would have missed out on a lifetime memory and we might have been put in the loser's bracket. Trust me that there is often times a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes that you, me, or anyone else knows nothing about. I think you are a helluva poster and I enjoy your anaylsis. Just remember that you aren't the only one in this world, or on this board for that matter, that knows a little about baseball. Not everybody is an idiot.

[LiterallyPolice]

I'm in agreement with you Will on the pitching issues. I will say that "he's a coach so he knows" is not always a cop-out. We saw that with Porter. Cohen knew of the eye issue because he was the coach. You did not know of it. I knew of it but was not going to spill it on a message board until Trey was ready to make it known. You called me a moron for it and harassed me a little in chat, but I'm a big boy and can take it. Aren't we all glad Porter didn't turn his shit in and quit, as some said he should? He would have missed out on a lifetime memory and we might have been put in the loser's bracket. Trust me that there is often times a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes that you, me, or anyone else knows nothing about. I think you are a helluva poster and I enjoy your anaylsis. Just remember that you aren't the only one in this world, or on this board for that matter, that knows a little about baseball. Not everybody is an idiot.

I agree with Will that it's a bit of a cop out. Or, at least, it's answering a different question than Will is answering. Will is answering the question "Who would you pitch if you were the coach, knowing only what you know now". A person who says "I agree with whatever Cohen decides" isn't really answering that question, and it's a boring post that doesn't really add value to the discussion...

(But... I guess you could argue this post doesn't really add value either).

[fishwater99]

So who is starting for the Beavers today?

[Will James]

So who is starting for the Beavers today?

http://www.registerguard.com/rg/spor...casey.html.csp

Still not sure. If Fry goes, he will be on a 50 pitch limit apparently.

[Bo Darville]

A person who says "I agree with whatever Cohen decides" isn't really answering that question, and it's a boring post that doesn't really add value to the discussion...

(But... I guess you could argue this post doesn't really add value either).

Agreed. But someone who has a different opinion on who to pitch than Will (or a different opinion than you, me, whoever) isn't necessarily an idiot or a moron. If one guy says Graveman and the other says Pollo, there might be merit on both sides.