Oliver Black

[Schultzy]

Scott Drew, Baylor, overcame MURDER

How long did that take to recover from?

[Political Hack]

the most common way to attack a 1-3-1 is to start by havig 2 guards work either side of the defender at the top of the key. Almost every offense uses that against a 1-3-1. Ray doesn't. Maybe he thinks we match up better otherwise, and that's a plausible explanation given out lack of shooting ability, but I think everyone can admit what we were doing did not work.

[Offshore Dawg]

No one is arguing we handled the 1-3-1 well. Some are saying we don't know how, others are saying we couldn't due to personnel. We're discussing WHY we couldn't counter it, because we all know exactly what you just posted.

This should be the year Ray has enough players to field a full team, yes or no.

[Homedawg]

Scott Drew, Baylor, overcame MURDER

Yep, he did. In his 5th year he had a winning record. In his 6th he went 5-11 in the big 12. Nice example to completely, disprove your point you've been making forever.

[engie]

This should be the year Ray has enough players to field a full team, yes or no.

Yes.

Where has anyone said that we can't judge Ray based on results this year? Time for the rubber to meet the road for sure...

[engie]

the most common way to attack a 1-3-1 is to start by havig 2 guards work either side of the defender at the top of the key. Almost every offense uses that against a 1-3-1. Ray doesn't. Maybe he thinks we match up better otherwise, and that's a plausible explanation given out lack of shooting ability, but I think everyone can admit what we were doing did not work.

Bottom line is the zone becomes easy if you've got guys that can create and shoot 3's. Especially when you've got 4's and 5's that can exploit the matchups inside and force the to cheat back for double teams.

last year, the 1-3-1 was extended because we played much of the time without a backup 5 on the roster or the floor. When there's no 5 that can beat a single or double team, you can cheat out against it and take away the setup threes.

[thf24]

Where has anyone said that we can't judge Ray based on results this year? Time for the rubber to meet the road for sure...

Yeah, this has been pretty confusing to me. I've noticed several of us have been congratulated lately for saying this as if we've come around from a more radical viewpoint, but I can't think of a single pro-patience poster who's ever said otherwise.

[engie]

Yeah, this has been pretty confusing to me. I've noticed several of us have been congratulated lately for saying this as if we've come around from a more radical viewpoint, but I can't think of a single pro-patience poster who's ever said otherwise.

Yeah -- I think that's the foothold of the radical viewpoint. It has to take other's opinions out of context and try to skew what those opinions actually are in order to try to justify their own outlandish ones. Hence the constant "pro-Ray" propaganda being pushed by those that are making basketball indiscussable -- when no outlandish "pro-Ray" position actually exists as a ying to their "anti-Ray" yang. Everyone someone asks them to link the posts projecting this stance, they just ignore the question and keep chugging along.

[Coach34]

Exactly- there's not a swinging dick that wears maroon that doesn't expect more out of Ray this season and we better get it or he will start catching shit from those of us that saw the situation realistically

[Dawg61]

Yep, he did. In his 5th year he had a winning record. In his 6th he went 5-11 in the big 12. Nice example to completely, disprove your point you've been making forever.

Quit being a jackass. The question asked was name a coach that stepped into a worse situation. I did. Baylor had crippling sanctions placed on them including not being allowed to play half a season.

[Coach34]

Quit being a jackass. The question asked was name a coach that stepped into a worse situation. I did. Baylor had crippling sanctions placed on them including not being allowed to play half a season.

Mans what is hilarious to all of us is that a murder within the basketball program is literally the only worse situation you can come up with. That should tell you something. It probably won't- but it should

[C222]

Mans what is hilarious to all of us is that a murder within the basketball program is literally the only worse situation you can come up with. That should tell you something. It probably won't- but it should

Haha...I thought the same exact thing.

[Dawg61]

Mans what is hilarious to all of us is that a murder within the basketball program is literally the only worse situation you can come up with. That should tell you something. It probably won't- but it should

In my opinion Tennessee right now is just as bad as MSU 2012. Chime in on a Sweet16 though. What's hilarious to me is y'all keep saying how tough a job it is for Ray so people will feel sorry for him and lower his bar so low dead people 6 feet under would be above it.

[Coach34]

In my opinion Tennessee right now is just as bad as MSU 2012. Chime in on a Sweet16 though. What's hilarious to me is y'all keep saying how tough a job it is for Ray so people will feel sorry for him and lower his bar so low dead people 6 feet under would be above it.

Ok- I have to ask this so I can laugh at the answer- how in the hell is Tenn 2014 as bad as State was in 2012?

and you don't even have to explain the "dumpster fire" vs Sweet 16 part- because no moron can duped into believing that. So start after that please

[notsofarawaydawg]

If y'all would stop trying to fluff the balls of a coach that has won 4 games and 5 games in the SEC every chance you can get I will stop having to come in and throw out tough love.

Because y'all are missing the other side to this. The side that I see. What happened with Quantrel Denson a player Ray signed? What happened the first year with Daniels and Ndoye? Two players that Ray signed. What happened with Applewhite his first season? A player Ray signed. What happened with Davis? A player Ray signed. So Black got qualified. GREAT HE IS SUPPOSED TO BE. Why does Ray keep signing question marks? I get signing a player like Newman that might be a question mark (not saying he is) but we are signing no name guys that aren't getting cleared till August going into year 3 still. Come on man we are a fu@king SEC team with pretty decent basketball tradition. Sign good players that aren't grade issues. Period.

If you would get your head out of Rick Stansbury's ass for a second you could see that the train wreck of a program did nothing but embarrass the university and fans the last couple of years. He personally is responsible for the sharks that took his legs off during those two seasons and he certainly needed to move on to another job because he accomplished NOTHING with all the talent he had. Stop bashing Ray because you don't like what he looks like. That's been a craw in your crotch ever since the man was hired. Get over it you bumbling old man.

[Brad Stevens]

For a while, 61 thought I just picked on him. I've been intentionally quiet in basketball threads the last few weeks, but he somehow STILL is at odds with everyone in every thread. Strange**

[Dawg61]

If you would get your head out of Rick Stansbury's ass for a second you could see that the train wreck of a program did nothing but embarrass the university and fans the last couple of years. He personally is responsible for the sharks that took his legs off during those two seasons and he certainly needed to move on to another job because he accomplished NOTHING with all the talent he had. Stop bashing Ray because you don't like what he looks like. That's been a craw in your crotch ever since the man was hired. Get over it you bumbling old man.

For the seven billionth time I wanted Stansbury gone too. What I don't want is to be lied to and to have the expectations lowered so easily that anyone can meet them. I don't dislike Ray so you can shove your allegations of racism or whatever you were implying straight up your ass.

[Dawg61]

Ok- I have to ask this so I can laugh at the answer- how in the hell is Tenn 2014 as bad as State was in 2012?

and you don't even have to explain the "dumpster fire" vs Sweet 16 part- because no moron can duped into believing that. So start after that please

Is that your way of trying to have a conversation with me about it? Try better if you actually want to talk about it.

[thf24]

In my opinion Tennessee right now is just as bad as MSU 2012. Chime in on a Sweet16 though. What's hilarious to me is y'all keep saying how tough a job it is for Ray so people will feel sorry for him and lower his bar so low dead people 6 feet under would be above it.

Tennessee right now is only as bad us 2012 if you take the two situations at face value an outsider's perspective. Likely only a few people know the true extent of the state of our program internally in spring/summer of 2012 (myself definitely not included), but if the rumors are even halfway accurate, Ray had it significantly worse than Tyndall does now. All Tennessee was really left with from a perception standpoint was a bad taste from the way the boosters supposedly treated Martin. No need to rehash what was going on with us, but suffice it to say we were far more toxic than that.

[DudyDawg]

I wish one thread about what's going on in basketball (new player got in) would stay on that topic instead of this bullshit. Go make a rick ray thread and talk. Leave that shit somewhere else. It's unbearable