Malik Newman update

[Goat from MSU]

Engie what do you do for a living ,and did you go to State. I have wonder that to.I am not being funny or mean either just wondering. Like smoot did not even go to State but he loves the Dawgs anyway.

You know I am retired, have been for about 7 or 8 years, but even so, I don't have near the time to waste on a message board or the inclination for that matter.

Which brings me to the question, how the hell does someone like Engie who apparently have all the time in the world to not only park on the boards, but spend the time researching the archivies for quotes, statistics that he does. You on your parents dole, the govt's or independently wealthy and don't have to work or have a very lenient boss?

I know coach gets up early , loads his rubber machines and back home in time for moderating the board and counting his quarters.

[coastdoglover]

silence is deafening. Truth of the matter is probably Engie and Coach are the same person. If not, they have the same agenda. I love they way they post things that are not true. I have never once said Stans cheated in anything and if he did, he sure wasn't implicated by the NCAA. That speaks for itself. I find this comical that the same people who say some of us long time supporters of the program have quit supporting basketball when for over 10 years coach went on diatribe of insults and statistics to belittle Rick Stansbury. Why don't you do a little research on those Engie? The facts are that you got what you politicked for a decade and it has been a huge failure and now it is a whole different criteria of judging the coaching and program. Meanwhile the stands are empty and it is easier to blame folks who can see what is happening and regardless of how bad you folks thought Stansbury was, he did have MSU compete and people felt like we always had a chance to win. I haven't seen that yet in 3 years and for you so-called stat experts, the SEC has been far more atrocious at the bottom the last three years and we still can't get to.500. It has been debated enough, but Engie, we are waiting for your answers to the question posed by Goat.

[Esmerelda Villalobos]

CDL, i was a fan of stans but it was time for a change or for him to at least change several things.

That said, knowing now what i do, i take him back in a heartbeat. Id rather sweat making the dance with a bunch of primma donnas than to watch us fight to win 12 games in front of dozens of people.

[fishwater99]

Same here. tc, you have every right to your stance on Ray and you may very well be correct in the end. But this thing you have about anyone who supports Ray, or just wants to give him a fair chance, doing so out of spite for Stansbury is beyond insane. There MAY be a shred of truth there in one or two cases who were critical of Stansbury while he was our coach, but I doubt it.

I was not a Stans supporter and I am trying to give Ray a fair shot. He gets this year and next to make the NCAAT once or he needs to go.
IMO, Stricklin made a bad hire and was in way over his head. If we fire Ray, I have no confidence in our current AD to make a better hire than he did with Ray.

[tcdog70]

Same here. tc, you have every right to your stance on Ray and you may very well be correct in the end. But this thing you have about anyone who supports Ray, or just wants to give him a fair chance, doing so out of spite for Stansbury is beyond insane. There MAY be a shred of truth there in one or two cases who were critical of Stansbury while he was our coach, but I doubt it.

I said 34's Clan-is that You or Smoot? I agree Ray should stand alone-nothing to do with Stansbury. Hell, i was critical of RS. But I didn't want Him fired. I wanted some changes, but He should have had one more year. That would have given Him a chance and Strick a chance to figure out Who our next coach could Be. What we have now is several levels below the dreaded "Dumpster Fire".

And Smoot you probably think Saban is an underachiever because He has lost two games in a Row. At Miss. State to have a chance to win every game you play is not under achieving. And I never watched a Stans' Team that I didn't think we Had a chance to win.

[Dawg61]

I was not a Stans supporter and I am trying to give Ray a fair shot. He gets this year and next to make the NCAAT once or he needs to go.
IMO, Stricklin made a bad hire and was in way over his head. If we fire Ray, I have no confidence in our current AD to make a better hire than he did with Ray.

If we fire Ray I want Stricklin to immediately go on a 3 month vacation in the Dominican Republic or Venezuela and set up a baseball recruiting base. And never touch the phone or internet during his trip.

[HancockCountyDog]

CDL, i was a fan of stans but it was time for a change or for him to at least change several things.

That said, knowing now what i do, i take him back in a heartbeat. Id rather sweat making the dance with a bunch of primma donnas than to watch us fight to win 12 games in front of dozens of people.

All I known is that everyone that said they would rather watch disciplined basketball, played the right way by guys that actually tried their best to win as opposed to a bunch of talented players not giving it their all was lying.

I went to a game last season and it was sad. You know what is worse than hate for your basketball program? Apathy. Everyone that said they just wanted to see guys play the 'right way' and were tired of attitude problems and team cancers. Well the attendance simply doesn't bare that out.

People want a winner. At the end of the day - they simply want to watch their favorite team win basketball games. Love him or hate him, Stans did that more often than not. Sure he underachieved several years. That isn't really debateable. The problem is what would you rather watch?

Team A: A talented bunch that should win 26 games that instead wins 21 games and misses the tourney;

Team B: A not talented bunch that would be hard pressed to win 10 games, actually win 14.

Its easy to say Team B, the problem is that last season simply didn't prove that.
What

[smootness]

And Smoot you probably think Saban is an underachiever because He has lost two games in a Row. At Miss. State to have a chance to win every game you play is not under achieving. And I never watched a Stans' Team that I didn't think we Had a chance to win.

I have no interest in getting back into a debate over whether or not it was time for Stans to go. My point is that in no way am I a 'Stans hater' who is still looking for reasons to justify his firing.

I believed it was time for him to go, others didn't, fine. But Ray is the coach now, and what he does has nothing to do with Stans anymore. I am not supporting him as a way of sticking to an anti-Stans agenda. I am supporting him because he is the Mississippi State head coach, and I believe he can still get it done and that he hasn't had enough time for us to discover whether his plan will ultimately work or not.

The fact that there are a lot of so-called State fans who believe supporting the current coach is only in an effort to denigrate the former one is ridiculous. He is the State coach; I would think most fans would support him for that simple fact alone.

[MarketingBully01]

I was not a Stans supporter and I am trying to give Ray a fair shot. He gets this year and next to make the NCAAT once or he needs to go.
IMO, Stricklin made a bad hire and was in way over his head. If we fire Ray, I have no confidence in our current AD to make a better hire than he did with Ray.

Good post Fish. This is how I feel. Hopefully Ray has a good year this year because if he doesn't it may very well unite the fan base but in a very negative way against him.

[engie]

Engie what do you do for a living ,and did you go to State. I have wonder that to.I am not being funny or mean either just wondering. Like smoot did not even go to State but he loves the Dawgs anyway.

Yes, I went to State for mechanical engineering and a minor in math -- That's all I'm saying -- as this board handle and some of the hints I've given about my past is already enough to figure out who I am. Coach and several others here already know me. I'm not trying to have message board life and the real world run together in the way that a number of people here have -- and I'm not worrying about "concerned citizens" calling employers, etc when I get the urge to needle Rebels or even other Bulldogs online. I'm excessively ADD -- and tend to hyperfocus and go overboard on tasks. As such, I create alot of dead time at work by knocking tasks out quickly. Enough free time that I run two small businesses myself on the side. I'm sure no one would have guessed that.

If you are good at this message board debate thing -- and if you are efficient at surrounding your opinion with numbers and facts in a way that people constantly stoop to insulting you instead of even actually attempting to debate you -- you must be a loser with no life. Yep -- got me...

[engie]

silence is deafening. Truth of the matter is probably Engie and Coach are the same person. If not, they have the same agenda.

Still waiting on you to show me what my "agenda" is. Your deflection is weak.

I love they way they post things that are not true. I have never once said Stans cheated in anything and if he did, he sure wasn't implicated by the NCAA. That speaks for itself.

Yet you've openly talked about Stans' system, what players cost, etc for YEARS now. Hilarious.

I find this comical that the same people who say some of us long time supporters of the program have quit supporting basketball when for over 10 years coach went on diatribe of insults and statistics to belittle Rick Stansbury. Why don't you do a little research on those Engie?

What does coach's position have to do with me? Or the fact that a bunch of you aren't supporting the basketball team now -- and have become what you just 5 years ago professed to hate on SPS? Fact is, you can't find much from me until it was OBVIOUS that Stansbury had lost control the last year or two.

The facts are that you got what you politicked for a decade and it has been a huge failure and now it is a whole different criteria of judging the coaching and program.

I didn't politic for anything. I was ready for Stans to go and I'm glad he did. Too bad he dug us a tremendous hole and left us with nothing. I haven't "changed my criteria for judging the program" and no one else has either. I'm just giving the new guy a fair chance to dig himself out of the hellhole your boy left him in. That starts this year -- and if we aren't an NIT+ team(that brings back everything next year), I'm going to be jumping off the bandwagon with everyone else.

How many damn times do I have to spell this out for you before you understand it? But, NO, it's just engie pushing coach's evil Stans' agenda. That must be it**

Meanwhile the stands are empty and it is easier to blame folks who can see what is happening and regardless of how bad you folks thought Stansbury was, he did have MSU compete and people felt like we always had a chance to win. I haven't seen that yet in 3 years and for you so-called stat experts, the SEC has been far more atrocious at the bottom the last three years and we still can't get to.500. It has been debated enough, but Engie, we are waiting for your answers to the question posed by Goat.

So, you are admitting that it was empty the last year under Stansbury too?

I'm yet to see you show me how this is actually any different than you blue-hairs being up in arms about Cohen and not Raffo....

[Coach34]

CoastGeezer has already showed his hand in this thread- nothing more to add to him. And then Engie busting his balls was hilarious.

[shannondawg]

I seriously doubt that any game under Stansbury had less butts in the seats than Ray's best game. But I haven't finished all my tasks in lightening like speed to be able to go back and check attendance, but I feel that Engie can.

And Coach you can say it, but Engie busting CDL balls is simply not true, just like a lot of your posts.

You may be a lot of things, but being truthful is not your strong suit when it comes to basketball and your agenda.

"not having an agenda" being the biggest one lie of all.

[shannondawg]

While at it, exactly what have you an Engie done to support Ray? Other than being message board gurus.

[Goat from MSU]

Like I said I was asking not to be funny .Now I know why you use facts and stats so much it is your background. I went to State for Poultry Sc. and minor in history . But now live out of state but owned a house in Starkville . I have a daughter who is interested in your field of study ,I rather her go to State than Cornell. I may have questions in future for you on that .

Yes, I went to State for mechanical engineering and a minor in math -- That's all I'm saying -- as this board handle and some of the hints I've given about my past is already enough to figure out who I am. Coach and several others here already know me. I'm not trying to have message board life and the real world run together in the way that a number of people here have -- and I'm not worrying about "concerned citizens" calling employers, etc when I get the urge to needle Rebels or even other Bulldogs online. I'm excessively ADD -- and tend to hyperfocus and go overboard on tasks. As such, I create alot of dead time at work by knocking tasks out quickly. Enough free time that I run two small businesses myself on the side. I'm sure no one would have guessed that.

If you are good at this message board debate thing -- and if you are efficient at surrounding your opinion with numbers and facts in a way that people constantly stoop to insulting you instead of even actually attempting to debate you -- you must be a loser with no life. Yep -- got me...

[tcdog70]

Yes, I went to State for mechanical engineering and a minor in math -- That's all I'm saying -- as this board handle and some of the hints I've given about my past is already enough to figure out who I am. Coach and several others here already know me. I'm not trying to have message board life and the real world run together in the way that a number of people here have -- and I'm not worrying about "concerned citizens" calling employers, etc when I get the urge to needle Rebels or even other Bulldogs online. I'm excessively ADD -- and tend to hyperfocus and go overboard on tasks. As such, I create alot of dead time at work by knocking tasks out quickly. Enough free time that I run two small businesses myself on the side. I'm sure no one would have guessed that.

If you are good at this message board debate thing -- and if you are efficient at surrounding your opinion with numbers and facts in a way that people constantly stoop to insulting you instead of even actually attempting to debate you -- you must be a loser with no life. Yep -- got me...

Do you actually have a degree? have you actually ever attended a basketball Game. Have you ever done anything for MSU besides post obscure stats on a Message board. Glad to hear how lightin quick and efficient you are.

[Dawg61]

Is the hole Stansbury left bigger than the one Pearl stepped into? I wonder how he's doing building a roster and signing players since he isn't even allowed to recruit players himself yet? Let's look.

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2...uiting_cl.html

[starkvegasdawg]

I'm shocked. I figured this thread would have been locked by early this morning.

[HereComesTheSpiral]

Like I said I was asking not to be funny .Now I know why you use facts and stats so much it is your background. I went to State for Poultry Sc. and minor in history . But now live out of state but owned a house in Starkville . I have a daughter who is interested in your field of study ,I rather her go to State than Cornell. I may have questions in future for you on that .

Tell your daughter to do chemical, more money and mechanical ****ing blows.

[Coach34]

I seriously doubt that any game under Stansbury had less butts in the seats than Ray's best game. But I haven't finished all my tasks in lightening like speed to be able to go back and check attendance, but I feel that Engie can.

And Coach you can say it, but Engie busting CDL balls is simply not true, just like a lot of your posts.

You may be a lot of things, but being truthful is not your strong suit when it comes to basketball and your agenda.

"not having an agenda" being the biggest one lie of all.

Oh it was true alright. Everybody can see it. Just because you dont like the retort doesnt mean it isnt true. It's in plain black and white.