This is the kind of stuff that makes me afraid Ray will never get it done at MSU...

[Dawg61]

How is adding immediate transfers "cutting corners" when EVERYONE else is doing it but us? To "cut corners" means to be gaining an advantage by taking the faster more dangerous route but it's not "cutting corners" if the entire rest of the pack is doing it. We might be the only Power6 school in the nation to not have added a transfer in the last 3 years. This old-school way of thinking of building up a program is never going to work with how basketball is today. It's also a cop-out for Ray's inability to recruit for jack. He can't recruit vs major college coaches. He loses every battle.

[smootness]

What kind of one-year transfer do you believe we would have attracted given the state of our team the last couple of years?

[C222]

How is adding immediate transfers "cutting corners" when EVERYONE else is doing it but us? To "cut corners" means to be gaining an advantage by taking the faster more dangerous route but it's not "cutting corners" if the entire rest of the pack is doing it. We might be the only Power6 school in the nation to not have added a transfer in the last 3 years. This old-school way of thinking of building up a program is never going to work with how basketball is today. It's also a cop-out for Ray's inability to recruit for jack. He can't recruit vs major college coaches. He loses every battle.

Isaiah Williams, PG transferring from Samford is visiting this weekend. 12pts, 1.8 rebounds, 3.5 assists per game. Not bad #'s but it was at Samford.

[msstate7]

Isaiah Williams, PG transferring from Samford is visiting this weekend. 12pts, 1.8 rebounds, 3.5 assists per game. Not bad #'s but it was at Samford.

Immediate or have to sit?

[Dog316]

we are gonna stick with ray for 2 more years with no progress and then no one is gonna wanna coach here.

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Surely not! Our problem was never lack of talent. Our problem was the coach, or so I read here. So it is simple. Just get a new coach. It has always been about the coach. Everyone who coaches here shoul be able to get us to the sweet sixteen nearly every year.

[Raytoraid83]

And stansbury has already gotten a top transfer to chose A&M over ucla. Is it too much to ask Ray to find one transfer? He tried with the Wake Forrest pg and lost him to vandy.

[C222]

And stansbury has already gotten a top transfer to chose A&M over ucla. Is it too much to ask Ray to find one transfer? He tried with the Wake Forrest pg and lost him to vandy.

Also lost T.J. Lang to Auburn. Not a transfer but a decommit from Va Tech that was between us and Auburn.

[Dawg61]

Isaiah Williams, PG transferring from Samford is visiting this weekend. 12pts, 1.8 rebounds, 3.5 assists per game. Not bad #'s but it was at Samford.

If he's an immediate transfer eligible right away then Ray will be at 13 and I'll shut my mouth for awhile

[C222]

Immediate or have to sit?

He'll have to sit a year I believe. He is also visiting Butler.

[Dawg61]

Isaiah Williams, PG transferring from Samford is visiting this weekend. 12pts, 1.8 rebounds, 3.5 assists per game. Not bad #'s but it was at Samford.

6'1, 160lbs will be a soph, 46 for 118 .390 on 3s. Good shooter and looks to be an upgrade over Davis. He's small though, another small guard but at least this one can shoot and has experience.

[KB21]

MSU can't just sit back and watch Pearl and everyone else do laps around Ray in recruiting. There is no sense of urgency with Ray. None. Why is Pearl already landing #1 scorers in the nation that are immediately eligible to play this upcoming year? Why have we not gotten one single transfer in basketball in a world filled with survivors feeding off of transfers. We are starving for help and yet refuse to add help. Why? Because we have suddenly become above it? We are better than stooping to the depths of accepting transfers that will help immediately? Boy that's awfully high and mighty of the glorious prestigious Mississippi State basketball program. Last in the standings but first in class. "Doing it the right way" by Croom Ray.

You know, if you are mad that Rick Ray doesn't cheat, then just say it.

[smootness]

If he's an immediate transfer eligible right away then Ray will be at 13 and I'll shut my mouth for awhile

We would be at 13 whether he's able to play immediately or not.

[CadaverDawg]

Also lost T.J. Lang to Auburn. Not a transfer but a decommit from Va Tech that was between us and Auburn.

Hell yes, C222. Dropping knowledge, I love it. And good info. Any others you know of?

[tcdog70]

6'1, 160lbs will be a soph, 46 for 118 .390 on 3s. Good shooter and looks to be an upgrade over Davis. He's small though, another small guard but at least this one can shoot and has experience.

please no more smurf point guards. Unless they are world-class. A 12 point smurf from Samford-Just Say No. I want 6'3" point guards or bigger. Defense is crucial, We already have dwarfs for PGs that everyone just shoots over.

[Dawg61]

We would be at 13 whether he's able to play immediately or not.

Hmmm yes we would but only have 12 available to play assuming we stay as is. Interesting

[Irondawg]

Yep, Auburn didn't do any real favors to Ray in hiring Pearl b/c it's a standard for us to judge. Ray basically wins this year or I think he's gone.

[Dawg61]

You know, if you are mad that Rick Ray doesn't cheat, then just say it.

Not mad he doesn't cheat. More like mad because he gets his ass kicked in recruiting and refuses to bring in immediate. Full ride to an SEC school to play basketball sells itself. You don't have to cheat to get 100 players foaming at the mouth for that opportunity. I don't want to hear excuses anymore. Tennessee signed 8 players in one month, Auburn just signed the leading scorer in the nation, Ole Miss has brought in eight new players. What have we done for me to get excited about? What? How are we any better this next year than this last year? Because we have 4 more guys on our bench? Because we got to see a 2 minute clip of baby Giraffe in the gym? Yay

[smootness]

Hmmm yes we would but only have 12 available to play assuming we stay as is. Interesting

...which is the situation for just about every program in the country. Almost everyone is redshirting someone or has a transfer sitting out a year. Your standard is insane.

[smootness]

What have we done for me to get excited about? What? How are we any better this next year than this last year? Because we have 4 more guys on our bench? Because we got to see a 2 minute clip of baby Giraffe in the gym? Yay

Why don't we just wait until the season starts. Ray's job isn't to make you excited or to make everyone think we're going to be way better. It's to actually get better and win games.

I'm personally excited about the fact that we return essentially everybody, so everyone should be improved. And I'm excited about Daniels and Ndoye, and I'm excited to see what Ray runs when he has a full roster of athletic guys to work with.

You are not excited by that, that's fine. But neither my excitement nor your lack of it means anything for this year. The fact that you don't see a reason to get excited doesn't mean we'll be just as bad as last year, and my excitement and hope doesn't mean we'll be way better.

But continuing to use the exact same arguments when there has been no change (and no one should have expected big changes, we've always known what Ray's plan was) in anything since last season.

[Dawg61]

...which is the situation for just about every program in the country. Almost everyone is redshirting someone or has a transfer sitting out a year. Your standard is insane.

If he was some stud that would be an immediate starter an impact transfer like Moultrie or Roberts I would count it but he's just a bench filler that's eating a scholi for a year so no I won't count it. He's still short one. How's that for insane