This is the kind of stuff that makes me afraid Ray will never get it done at MSU...

[maroonmania]

while Pearl will bring Auburn up from the ashes. You've got no chance in basketball if you can't get high end players to sign on with your program. I assume we are not looking good for Newman?

http://www.secrant.com/news/105535/5...sect=home_main

[jimbo352]

JMO.... The sooner we admit the Rick Ray experiment was a failure, the faster we can get back to being a top tier SEC BB program.

[CadaverDawg]

JMO.... The sooner we admit the Rick Ray experiment was a failure, the faster we can get back to being a top tier SEC BB program.

I agree completely. I share your Opinion.

But I'm sure our opinions will somehow be proven wrong.

[HancockCountyDog]

All I know is that winning 10 SEC games just got a lot harder for Ray. AU on the road will be extremely tough.

Im hoping that we see some real progress next year.

[smootness]

There are a lot of assumptions being made here. His other option was Providence.

[Dawg61]

Holy shit, Auburn won't need a year before they beat the crap out of us in basketball, it'll be this year. Go ahead and spend $100 million on a new ballpark though guys that'll only extend us getting a good coach at $2 mill a year for idk like 6 years.

[Dawg61]

All I know is that winning 10 SEC games just got a lot harder for Ray. AU on the road will be extremely tough.

Im hoping that we see some real progress next year.

Hope you like the NIT cause that's all 10 wins will get us and there ain't no way in hell we'll get 10 wins anyways. We can't even fill a roster going into year 3.

[quickstrike2]

Baseball postseason must be over, back to the why Stans sucks and why Ray hadnt been gave a chance and then visa versa.

Should be great conversation******

[smootness]

How do you bookmark a thread?

[CadaverDawg]

How do you bookmark a thread?

No clue

[codeDawg]

At some point you have to take a step back and recognize that he didn't get a fair shake, he isn't going to get one, and the best thing for everybody is to move on. You can't let somebody sit around and flounder because it's your fault they are in a shitty position. Move on to somebody everybody can go with and get on with life.

[jimbo352]

I agree completely. I share your Opinion.

But I'm sure our opinions will somehow be proven wrong.

lol... I have no data to argue, just a feeling that Ray was doomed from the start. I said from the very beginning it would be the coach after Ray that brought us back. Just the nature of the beast.

[smootness]

At some point you have to take a step back and recognize that he didn't get a fair shake, he isn't going to get one, and the best thing for everybody is to move on. You can't let somebody sit around and flounder because it's your fault they are in a shitty position. Move on to somebody everybody can go with and get on with life.

I know this is a discussion we've had a million times already, but it's still too early to do this. He didn't get a fair shake in the sense that he started in a terrible spot; it was never going to get fixed in 2 years. Just because he hasn't gotten it fixed in 2 years doesn't mean he won't. I think he deserves at least this year. If we're still in the same spot after this year, then make a change. But if we have reason to believe, based on this coming year, that he is moving us in the right direction, then he deserves more time again.

[Dawg61]

MSU can't just sit back and watch Pearl and everyone else do laps around Ray in recruiting. There is no sense of urgency with Ray. None. Why is Pearl already landing #1 scorers in the nation that are immediately eligible to play this upcoming year? Why have we not gotten one single transfer in basketball in a world filled with survivors feeding off of transfers. We are starving for help and yet refuse to add help. Why? Because we have suddenly become above it? We are better than stooping to the depths of accepting transfers that will help immediately? Boy that's awfully high and mighty of the glorious prestigious Mississippi State basketball program. Last in the standings but first in class. "Doing it the right way" by Croom Ray.

[smootness]

MSU can't just sit back and watch Pearl and everyone else do laps around Ray in recruiting. There is no sense of urgency with Ray. None. Why is Pearl already landing #1 scorers in the nation that are immediately eligible to play this upcoming year? Why have we not gotten one single transfer in basketball in a world filled with survivors feeding off of transfers. We are starving for help and yet refuse to add help. Why? Because we have suddenly become above it? We are better than stooping to the depths of accepting transfers that will help immediately? Boy that's awfully high and mighty of the glorious prestigious Mississippi State basketball program. Last in the standings but first in class. "Doing it the right way" by Croom Ray.

First of all, you know why Pearl is able to land players. Second, I have no idea the circumstances surrounding this guy, but neither does anyone else. As I said, his other option was Providence.

You continue to use 'no sense of urgency', but your definition of 'urgency' is what someone else would define as 'cutting corners that will hurt you in the long run'. As always, we still have to let it play out to see which strategy is better.

[preachermatt83]

we are gonna stick with ray for 2 more years with no progress and then no one is gonna wanna coach here.

[codeDawg]

I know this is a discussion we've had a million times already, but it's still too early to do this. He didn't get a fair shake in the sense that he started in a terrible spot; it was never going to get fixed in 2 years. Just because he hasn't gotten it fixed in 2 years doesn't mean he won't. I think he deserves at least this year. If we're still in the same spot after this year, then make a change. But if we have reason to believe, based on this coming year, that he is moving us in the right direction, then he deserves more time again.

I don't disagree with you on this year, but if there is not significant progress in recruiting and on the court, we need to move on to someone the program supporters will get behind. He's always going to be playing from behind. Nobody in any program can do it without outside help. That's not his fault, but it is our problem. Let's get somebody in here that can get everybody paddling in the same direction.

[engie]

lol... I have no data to argue, just a feeling that Ray was doomed from the start. I said from the very beginning it would be the coach after Ray that brought us back. Just the nature of the beast.

Worry not -- It's just Cadaver attempting to bring an argument from one thread that he went personal attack mode in multiple times before locking into practically every other thread on the front page I've checked thusfar...

[msstate7]

If ray gets us in the nit this year, I'll be happy with him. I think we can do it too if ready can stay healthy and Fred builds on the end of last season. If ready stats hurt again and Fred goes back to the early season form, ray is probably doomed

[engie]

I don't disagree with you on this year, but if there is not significant progress in recruiting and on the court, we need to move on to someone the program supporters will get behind. He's always going to be playing from behind. Nobody in any program can do it without outside help. That's not his fault, but it is our problem. Let's get somebody in here that can get everybody paddling in the same direction.

Year 3 is go time. Now is time for him to either prove it or get out. His grace period is over with everybody, and it's time to see serious progress.