Any thoughts on the Michael Sam Kiss on ESPN...

[LiterallyPolice]

Marriage is a religious institution, so if it involves a church, there is no 'right'. Your battle is with whether or not the STATE recognizes marriage, for division of assets, ie, can two gays go to the courthouse and get a marriage license. Christians in a church have no power over that, but they do have power over who gets married in their church, and that's the way it is. Either way, I know if I had my way divorce would be much tougher to obtain. That's the price of living in a free society.

Jesus, Goat. What are you talking about? No one is saying churches should be forced to marry gays. This has always been about state-recognized marriage.

[Esmerelda Villalobos]

A wedding is a religious institution. Marriage is via the govt.

I wish they'd ban all marriage and be done with it. The simpletons will hide behind the bible until it is completely normal in 25 years and then there will be some new issue.

[Goat Holder]

So would you say it was in your DNA to be straight? If it just naturally happened then it HAS to be genetic. So if twins were born that were identical, i.e. genetically the exact same, both would have to be gay.

Problem is jarron Collins likes women while his identical twin Jason prefers men. Someone made a choice here...

I disagree shoeless joe. I know several gay people that I trust, and they say it was not a choice. Maybe it is in some instances. Either way, they still don't have to act on it, just like a straight man shouldn't have premarital sex. But we are all tempted and we still do it. Again, we all sin.

[BeardoMSU]

I am quite certain all Christians consider homosexuality a sin. It is in the bible. That said, there are denominations who have made exceptions to rules allowing homosexuals to participate or even lead their churches.

I disagree. Not all people take literal interpretations of the Bible, and that's where the divide is. Not all Christians think the Homosexuality is a sin, the same way not all Christians think the world is ca. 6,000 years old. I'd also add that many things that were written as "sin" can most often be attributed to the cultural norms of the day. But guess what: culture changes, as do norms, customs, ideas of morality, etc. It's inevitable.

[M.Fillmore]

That's about as far as the Pandora's box goes though since I think consenting adults making a choice is the barrier. (Just preemptively cutting off the "a man can marry his fish" argument here)

So then what gives you the right to close Pandora's box? A couple of months ago a UK woman went to some another western European country and had a wedding with her dog. Last week some guy petitioned to marry his laptop computer. If you are going to open Pandora's box, how will you determine how you will open and close it?

[Goat Holder]

Jesus, Goat. What are you talking about? No one is saying churches should be forced to marry gays. This has always been about state-recognized marriage.

Then why are you attacking Christians? They have no power over the State. Separation and stuff, you know?

[Esmerelda Villalobos]

Common denominator in all these type of discussions is religion makes people intolerant and say stupid shit. Christians dont have a stranglehold on that. It is all religions.

[Goat Holder]

You can't really believe that's the only reason gay people want the right to marry?

Why else? Can't they just live together and do whatever it is a gay family does without being married? I mean, they obviously don't care about the sin, so why take part in a religious institution if they can get all the benefits from the State?

Think about that.

[Esmerelda Villalobos]

Im atheist and married goat. Why?

[Goat Holder]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but is not this thread about the kiss on national TV, what people thought of it, and the perception that the gay lifestyle is perhaps being inappropriately promoted by the media? When did it morph into homosexual legal rights?

When LiterallyPolice realized he was losing the argument. Textbook liberal tactic.

[BeardoMSU]

Yes, I'd like to see some credible sources of these happenings as well.

Do these things happen occasionally? I'm sure they do, but for every child not allowed to read their Bible at school, how many cases are there where Muslims, Buddhists, Jews, etc. are treated the same? This myth about only Christians being forbid to pray, read their Bible, etc., are totally overblown if not completely fabricated.

I see and hear Bible verses quoted in school speeches all the freakin' time, dude; so again, no dice.

As for the Air Force dude. If that actually happened, I suppose it would have to depend on exactly what verse the cadet chose to display. If it was Exodus 21:20-21 or Ephesians 6:5, I'm sure black guys in his unit would be quite offended. But I digress....

[bgdog]

Why else? Can't they just live together and do whatever it is a gay family does without being married? I mean, they obviously don't care about the sin, so why take part in a religious institution if they can get all the benefits from the State?

Think about that.

Of course they can, but why should they be denied something that their heterosexual counterparts aren't?

[drunkernhelldawg]

Lol. Wow. This conversation is obviously waaaaay over your head. I can't believe you ACTUALLY thought that would be a good response. Holy cow...

What the hell do you mean? People should not be officially labeled as second-class citizens because of who they love. Period. The world is bigger than a church parking lot.

[LiterallyPolice]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but is not this thread about the kiss on national TV, what people thought of it, and the perception that the gay lifestyle is perhaps being inappropriately promoted by the media? When did it morph into homosexual legal rights?

Fair enough.... I see where you're coming from and, admittedly, I didn't really understand your comment until just now. In defense of my comment, however, from my perspective legal rights of homosexuals ties heavily into why both the gay community and the media are both so vocal.

[Ralph]

Im atheist and married goat. Why?

Bc our society, in which was originally created based on religious views from the Bible, has told you you're supposed to marry, have kids and experience the joys and strength a family provides.

[Goat Holder]

Of course they can, but why should they be denied something that their heterosexual counterparts aren't?

Hey, if they want that legal part of it, that's all on them. But again, that has nothing to do with Christians.

[War Machine Dawg]

This sums it up nicely. Sam is a marginal prospect made into a bigger deal because he chooses to very narrowly define himself by his sexuality and help push an agenda.

[LiterallyPolice]

Why else? Can't they just live together and do whatever it is a gay family does without being married? I mean, they obviously don't care about the sin, so why take part in a religious institution if they can get all the benefits from the State?

Think about that.

Serious question to the board.... Does anyone have any idea what Goat is talking about here?

Goat, are you arguing that marriage is strictly a religious ceremony?

[Goat Holder]

Im atheist and married goat. Why?

Division of the assets. Pretty much the same reason I mentioned above. All the legal benefits that come along with it. And I have no problem with gays wanting that. It's got nothing to do with the church, so don't try and make it about that.

A person can live with someone and raise a family without being married, religiously or legally, if they wish.

[Esmerelda Villalobos]

Associated goat? Wtf are you talking about? The majority of gays I know are Christian and go to church.