MSU is STILL Not Serious About Football

[Tater]

I have heard Charles Huff has made it known to Selmon that if we move on from Lebby he is very interested in being the next head coach. If Huff has a really good year at Memphis he will be in the top three candidates.

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I have heard Charles Huff has made it known to Byrne that if we move on from DeBoer he is very interested in being the next head coach. If Huff has a really good year at State he will be in the top three candidates.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Not only that, Arnett was a DC under Leach who had the defense on the field for like 90 plays a game due to us either scoring in 40 seconds or punting in 40 seconds. Imagine an offense that actually uses the clock a bit more and how many less yards and points our defense would give up.

[Homedawg]

and we will bring on the next guy that will struggle to get to 6 wins

yep

[Homedawg]

D2 rules are different than d1 he could only play in 3 games and rs. Why are they different, no clue, but that's the case. Now, yall can fight amongest yourselves of why we or other schools didn't know this..............

[Tater]

Not only that, Arnett was a DC under Leach who had the defense on the field for like 90 plays a game due to us either scoring in 40 seconds or punting in 40 seconds. Imagine an offense that actually uses the clock a bit more and how many less yards and points our defense would give up.

What?

State's ranking with Time of Possession by year:

2020 - 21st 32:03
2021 - 43rd 30:57
2022 - 7th 33:52
2023 - 54th 30:24
2024 - 103rd 28:31
2025 - 131st 26:02

Idk wtf you watched under Leach but if you don't think his offense was ball control you clearly just have a basic "run = ball control; pass = not" level of knowledge.

[BrunswickDawg]

Not only that, Arnett was a DC under Leach who had the defense on the field for like 90 plays a game due to us either scoring in 40 seconds or punting in 40 seconds. Imagine an offense that actually uses the clock a bit more and how many less yards and points our defense would give up.

This is such a tired trope. In 2020 we ran the 5th most offensive plays in the SEC (69ppg), and were 4th in Time of Possession; in '21 3rd (75ppg) and 1st; and in '22 6th (71 ppg) and 7th.
For reference, under "peak Mullen" in '17 we ran 76 plays a game.

On defense in '20 we defended 71 ppg (5th most); in '21 62 ppg (2nd fewest); an in '22 67 ppg (6th fewest).
Our "greatest defense EVAR!!!!" in 2018 was on the field for 64 ppg (4th fewest).

So there was literally no difference in Leach and anyone else we've had.

[Coach34]

Not only that, Arnett was a DC under Leach who had the defense on the field for like 90 plays a game due to us either scoring in 40 seconds or punting in 40 seconds. Imagine an offense that actually uses the clock a bit more and how many less yards and points our defense would give up.

You didnt watch SEC Mike Leach in Airbone. Under Leach we held the ball for over 30 mins per game and were 10th in the country in TOP for 2021 at 33:12 per game. Thus the Airbone nickname

[Quaoarsking]

and we will bring on the next guy that will struggle to get to 6 wins

At least maybe we'll find a likable guy who's fun to root for instead of this jackass.

I've heard from a couple different people that waiters and waitresses hate when Lebby comes into their restaurants because he is such a dickhead and talks down to them.

[AROB44]

At least maybe we'll find a likable guy who's fun to root for instead of this jackass.

I've heard from a couple different people that waiters and waitresses hate when Lebby comes into their restaurants because he is such a dickhead and talks down to them.

Now that's a new reason to get rid of a coach.

[Todd4State]

At least maybe we'll find a likable guy who's fun to root for instead of this jackass.

I've heard from a couple different people that waiters and waitresses hate when Lebby comes into their restaurants because he is such a dickhead and talks down to them.

Remember when I said MSU fans focus too much on things that don't matter. I'll add this to the list.

[Ranchdawg]

I am shocked that nobody has come along and said you can not complain about how terrible our football program is without contributing to the NIL.

[MBDawg601]

I?m not understanding the meltdown.

We were not THAT far off last year.

Yeah we lost all but one SEC game, but it was a hell of a lot more entertaining and we were much more threatening than the prior two years. I?m patient enough to see what happens this year before I start the doom and gloom.

I enjoyed the season, yeah some heartbreaking losses but we were taking it to teams 4x more talented. And I like that.

[Todd4State]

I am shocked that nobody has come along and said you can not complain about how terrible our football program is without contributing to the NIL.

We are doing better with NIL and we certainly need to keep giving and keep improving.

But there are two sides to it. The fans giving the resources and MSU fans have given. But the other side is the coaches using the resources, identifying talent and attracting the talent. That is where Lebby and friends have shit the bed.

[DEDawg]

I?m not understanding the meltdown.

We were not THAT far off last year.

Yeah we lost all but one SEC game, but it was a hell of a lot more entertaining and we were much more threatening than the prior two years. I?m patient enough to see what happens this year before I start the doom and gloom.

I enjoyed the season, yeah some heartbreaking losses but we were taking it to teams 4x more talented. And I like that.

The single biggest issue going into this year was DC and LT. some are not happy with DC and LT is obviously now a complete failure for 2026. It?s a reasonable meltdown topic. KT needs to grow as a passer, we wont get any better if his only option by late October is one read that scramble because blind side has collapsed.

[Quaoarsking]

Now that's a new reason to get rid of a coach.

Going 2-17 against P4 opponents (and also a blowout loss to Toledo thrown in) is a reason to get rid of a coach. But if he was cool and likable, it would be easier to understand why people still cling to him. Instead, we've got a bad coach who is also a bad person.

[Quaoarsking]

I?m not understanding the meltdown.

We were not THAT far off last year.

Yeah we lost all but one SEC game, but it was a hell of a lot more entertaining and we were much more threatening than the prior two years. I?m patient enough to see what happens this year before I start the doom and gloom.

I enjoyed the season, yeah some heartbreaking losses but we were taking it to teams 4x more talented. And I like that.

FPI rankings the last 3 years:

2023: 60
2024: 66
2025: 58

Just not much to be proud about in any of the last 3 seasons. Arnett and Lebby both eked out a win over an overrated team from the state of Arizona at home (hey, I'll still take it) and were extremely fortunate to beat a really bad Arkansas team on the road.

[Quaoarsking]

He has a once in a generation QB that he has built some really good pieces around.

I'm really skeptical of this sentence. Kamario Taylor could have a really good career here and still not surpass Nick Fitzgerald (8 years ago) and especially Dak Prescott (11 years ago). And even if he does, he probably won't this year.

I hope you're right though, obviously.

[KOdawg1]

Arnett isn't an overrated DC.

Your Air Raid Fan Club biases are showing again.

The rest, I agree with.

[PGHBulldogBG]

The most frustrating thing about our football situation is that we have still not realized that our best shot at being successful is to hire a sitting head coach that has won consistently at programs with a talent deficiency. When we did decide to randomly make that decision with Leach it was working until he died. After year 3 he beat Kiffin @ Ole Miss and then he passed away. Instead we make the same mistakes over and over again by hiring coordinators that don’t work out. Mullen only worked because he was a coordinator for the 2nd best coach in the modern era besides Saban.

This is why I would love for us to hire Vigen and try something. I know a lot of people might think that he coached at a lower level and that’s a respectable opinion, but we aren’t going to get a coach that has been successful at a high level. Those coaches are seeking out programs with more resources and more money. This is the reason I wanted to hire Cignetti when Arnett was fired. I’m not saying Vigen is the only option, but he is winning at Montana State without recruiting top talent compared to other teams in their league.

We are never going to be a program in the SEC that pays a lot of money compared to the big boys. It’s just not going to happen. I’m not saying that’s not important, but we can throw that option out the window. That means the only chance is to think outside the box and hire someone who fits this criteria. Until our AD or boosters realize this, it’s going to be the same thing over and over.

[Coach34]

The most frustrating thing about our football situation is that we have still not realized that our best shot at being successful is to hire a sitting head coach that has won consistently at programs with a talent deficiency. When we did decide to randomly make that decision with Leach it was working until he died. After year 3 he beat Kiffin @ Ole Miss and then he passed away. Instead we make the same mistakes over and over again by hiring coordinators that don’t work out. Mullen only worked because he was a coordinator for the 2nd best coach in the modern era besides Saban.

This is why I would love for us to hire Vigen and try something. I know a lot of people might think that he coached at a lower level and that’s a respectable opinion, but we aren’t going to get a coach that has been successful at a high level. Those coaches are seeking out programs with more resources and more money. This is the reason I wanted to hire Cignetti when Arnett was fired. I’m not saying Vigen is the only option, but he is winning at Montana State without recruiting top talent compared to other teams in their league.

We are never going to be a program in the SEC that pays a lot of money compared to the big boys. It’s just not going to happen. I’m not saying that’s not important, but we can throw that option out the window. That means the only chance is to think outside the box and hire someone who fits this criteria. Until our AD or boosters realize this, it’s going to be the same thing over and over.

My concern is that it would be a Harsin situation- a fish out of water. Can a guy from a mostly white state that coaches mostly white players during his career come to the South and coach a team that is going to be 80% black? That's the gamble with him. LSU just went thru thru that same problem with a coach that didnt fit