If we're so hopelessly poor that it doesn't matter who our coach is...

[Tater]

Eric Morris isnt leaving his new job for StarkVegas

You make the call and move to option #3. Mack would be a good hire for 3 years before he hopefully won enough to go to greener pastures.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Yes but when you lack depth on the offensive line guess when that shows up? The fourth quarter.

It was also all the 5 star players waking up on that tx team

[Brobi-wan]

Just search "Leach fired" up in the top left and read through the whole threads

https://www.elitedawgs.com/showthrea...ht=leach+fired
https://www.elitedawgs.com/showthrea...ht=leach+fired
https://www.elitedawgs.com/showthrea...ht=leach+fired

The funny thing about this, is that the fire leach crew was the same as the fire Lebby outside of you. Lol

[Bothrops]

The days of - need more time - is overstated now. For example, the Chiz said in a post-game analysis during the season for one of our games that we were doing things the right way by giving Lebby time to build. Well, historically speaking he was mostly correct on that comment, but not now and not at Miss St. You can't build anything now, except a brand new team every single season for 25M to 40M dollars. Mississippi State cannot do this. It's too much money and you have to have a bonafide group of coaches and salesmen in place, first. We don't have either one, with maybe Arnett as a partial exception. You know pretty quick if you have a winner.

[Quaoarsking]

The funny thing about this, is that the fire leach crew was the same as the fire Lebby outside of you. Lol

No it's not - there is a general inverse relationship (not 100% of people, but most) between people's opinions on Lebby and opinions on Leach. Remember that "it's all Leach's fault" has been excuse #1 for the Lebby supporters for 16 months now.

[Brobi-wan]

No it's not - there is a general inverse relationship (not 100% of people, but most) between people's opinions on Lebby and opinions on Leach. Remember that "it's all Leach's fault" has been excuse #1 for the Lebby supporters for 16 months now.

Year 1 was a roster turnover problem, yes. This year we were some bad coaching decisions and poor player decision making away from a winning season. If we are not 7-5 next year Lebby will be gone. You don’t have to worry about it

[Todd4State]

The funny thing about this, is that the fire leach crew was the same as the fire Lebby outside of you. Lol

Interesting. But not surprising.

[BlackSailsDawg]

The days of - need more time - is overstated now. For example, the Chiz said in a post-game analysis during the season for one of our games that we were doing things the right way by giving Lebby time to build. Well, historically speaking he was mostly correct on that comment, but not now and not at Miss St. You can't build anything now, except a brand new team every single season for 25M to 40M dollars. Mississippi State cannot do this. It's too much money and you have to have a bonafide group of coaches and salesmen in place, first. We don't have either one, with maybe Arnett as a partial exception. You know pretty quick if you have a winner.

Actually there is a blend that will work. What we need is experience from winning programs. We are now allowed 105 players. SO.. We get to dig deep into lower divisions and pay less. We just need great eval.

Example here is a 65% passer... threw it 450 times this year and 25 Tds. 3,400 yards. He is 6'5" 240 Jr. Rushed for another 2 TDs. He is a DII player.

There is a fast WR Jaylen Himes. 66 catches for 1200 yards as a FR. DII. Now has some D1 offers.

There is a JR RB.. 6'1" 230lbs over 2000 yards rushing with 28 rushing TDs. He is built.

You have to go tht route to find some depth. You continue to pull in HS plyers. You spend your bigger dollars on the lines.

[confucius say]

What in the world do you think he can plausibly show next year to overcome the huge whole he himself has dug?

Keeping improving the win total. We aren't firing him if he keeps doing that.

[confucius say]

One more year to see if he?s the guy???? Ole buddy has one one?ONE?SEC game in two years and that is in an SEC that is clearly down. Let me answer this for you with certainty. He is NOT the guy.

Maybe so. But we aren't firing a coach who took over the worst roster in the sec (probably P4) and improved from 2-10 to 5-7. Nor should we. If he doesn't improve next year, we can move off him. But it's not happening right now.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Maybe so. But we aren't firing a coach who took over the worst roster in the sec (probably P4) and improved from 2-10 to 5-7. Nor should we. If he doesn't improve next year, we can move off him. But it's not happening right now.

Anybody who truly wants to know if there were improvements can look up the truth. We were much improved on offense. That's verifiable via the numbers and rankings.

[confucius say]

My biggest worry is that all I heard was how valuable the extra 15 practices were. It is another spring practice so you can get a lot of development to get ready for spring

That team looked worse than the team that beat ASU. Good coaching actually develops players. Our players are actually getting worse.

Add in the bad decision making during games and it doesn't lead to hope for next year.

I thought the WR looked better. Williams and McGee looked good.
Thought OL looked worse. Loadholt sucks.
Rest were about the same.

[confucius say]

The argument here is - did any player who didn't get hurt show real improvement throughout the year.

KT definitely improved throughout the year. Anthony Evans felt like he improved some. Defensively I'm not sure I know anyone who really did. We did change DC.

But the other side of that - injury management - we didn't do well there and that does ultimately fall on the coach's S&C program.

Several WR improved.
KT improved.
Kelly jones improved.
Safeties improved.
OL did not.
DL did not.
Lockhart improved.

[Quaoarsking]

Maybe so. But we aren't firing a coach who took over the worst roster in the sec (probably P4) and improved from 2-10 to 5-7. Nor should we. If he doesn't improve next year, we can move off him. But it's not happening right now.

I'll ask you a question I've asked others: If Lebby had beaten Toledo and Arkansas in 2024, is the case to keep him stronger or weaker?

4-8 to 5-7 isn't nearly the "improvement" as 2-10 to 5-7, but surely we're all a lot MORE comfortable with a coach with a better resume, not LESS, right?

[BlackSailsDawg]

I thought the WR looked better. Williams and McGee looked good.
Thought OL looked worse. Loadholt sucks.
Rest were about the same.

KT was better

[confucius say]

I'll ask you a question I've asked others: If Lebby had beaten Toledo and Arkansas in 2024, is the case to keep him stronger or weaker?

4-8 to 5-7 isn't nearly the "improvement" as 2-10 to 5-7, but surely we're all a lot MORE comfortable with a coach with a better resume, not LESS, right?

Probably stronger. It would have taken at least 50 to beat Toledo and 70 to beat Arkansas. Had he put up those points with the 2024 roster, I would think he was a magician.

Weird hypothetical.

[Todd4State]

I'll ask you a question I've asked others: If Lebby had beaten Toledo and Arkansas in 2024, is the case to keep him stronger or weaker?

4-8 to 5-7 isn't nearly the "improvement" as 2-10 to 5-7, but surely we're all a lot MORE comfortable with a coach with a better resume, not LESS, right?

Well, we beat Northern Illinois 38-10 and Arkansas on the road this year. In addition to a decent USM team on the road in what was I'm sure their Super Bowl.

It is what it is.

[Coach34]

AGAIN- eliminate Y1 on Lebby. Our Admin has. He is being judged on 2025 and 2026

[Todd4State]

I thought the WR looked better. Williams and McGee looked good.
Thought OL looked worse. Loadholt sucks.
Rest were about the same.

I'm only giving Loadholt another chance because of when he was brought in. It looks like we have some good OL prospects visiting this weekend.

More of the same next year then we're probably moving on with more than Loadholt anyway.

[Quaoarsking]

Probably stronger. It would have taken at least 50 to beat Toledo and 70 to beat Arkansas. Had he put up those points with the 2024 roster, I would think he was a magician.

Weird hypothetical.

It's not weird at all, because it shows the weakness of the "he improved!" argument. The Toledo game was where a lot of our fans realized that Lebby was never going to be a good coach for us, because despite our troubles, we really shouldn't have lost to a mid-level MAC team at all, or if we did, it should have at least been a fluky game rather than a complete embarrassment.

I'd feel more comfortable with 5-7 in 2025 if he hadn't needed such a big "improvement" (but still worst team in the SEC by FPI, 66th to 49th or maybe a little worse after they update it through the bowls) over 2024, but I don't know what the "he improved" copers would be saying instead.