If we're so hopelessly poor that it doesn't matter who our coach is...

[msstate7]

Hell, hoops has been one of Lebby's biggest backers, and Lebby lost him last night.

[BlackSailsDawg]

You're living under a rock if you think the fanbase supports Lebby. Open your eyes. Even on this message board, it's overwhelmingly anti-Lebby, and it's worse everywhere else. Go check social media comments. Go talk to people in real life. Hardly anyone thinks Lebby is doing well.

Did you just say that SOCIAL MEDIA... LMAO! WOW.... Dude. No words.

Socail media now =s real life.......................

[Tbonewannabe]

We beat Tennessee if our offensive line doesn't whiff and Shapen gets sacked. We tried to run the clock out against Texas and couldn't because of our offensive line. And we executed poorly on punt coverage.

Those issues are corrected with better talent.

We didn't try to run clock against Texas. We were running fast and snapping the ball with 30 seconds on the playclock. I will give him credit that for 3 quarters he looked like a coach who knew what he was doing. Then he went completely retarded.

[BlackSailsDawg]

You mean like today?** Who would have thought that fan opinion on a coach would be less than favorable after a loss?**

Did you notice he linked threads that had HIMSELF calling for a 9 win coach to be fired... LOL! This dude literally goes board to board to board to trash all things MSU. Never known a MSU fan to go 24/7 trashing all things MSU.

[sandjunky]

No no no. Todd is right. You do nothing but try to cause a fake outrage and claim you "Speak" for the majority of fans. You don't. You don't have a pulse on the situation. You are not the MSU FAN Spokes person. You run from board to board to proclaim the fans want Lebby gone trying to sow discord as if you are fighting some religious and righteous battle that God himself appointed you to do.

You wouldn?t have been a member of Genespage circa 2001-2003 possibly?

[Quaoarsking]

Did you notice he linked threads that had HIMSELF calling for a 9 win coach to be fired... LOL! This dude literally goes board to board to board to trash all things MSU. Never known a MSU fan to go 24/7 trashing all things MSU.

What 9-win coach have I ever called for to be fired?

[BlackSailsDawg]

It's called projecting.

Yep it is. With "Fans" like him, we don't need enemies.

[BlackSailsDawg]

I (along with lots of others) "run from board to board" and see that almost everyone wants him gone. EliteDawgs is the only one that has more than just a tiny handful of Lebby supporters, but it's still a majority here who wishes we would make the change.

You're asking to trust you over my lyin' eyes.

No I am telling you that social media is not real life. I'm telling you that you just trashed your own argument again by say you and others do go from message board to message board to sow discord to try and have an outcome that you desire. I bet you count yourself as 4 or 5 fans too.

[Quaoarsking]

No I am telling you that social media is not real life. I'm telling you that you just trashed your own argument again by say you and others do go from message board to message board to sow discord to try and have an outcome that you desire. I bet you count yourself as 4 or 5 fans too.

The "discord" is being caused by our 2-17 head coach, and his so-called supporters who won't even try to argue that he's doing a good job but instead just call the majority stupid for thinking 2-17 isn't good enough.

It's OK for people to want to make a coaching change. It was OK in 2008, 2019, 2023, and it's OK now too. It's fine for people to talk about it on a message board.

[Pancho]

hope they buy us some much better players. the ones we have need much help

[Tbonewannabe]

My biggest worry is that all I heard was how valuable the extra 15 practices were. It is another spring practice so you can get a lot of development to get ready for spring

That team looked worse than the team that beat ASU. Good coaching actually develops players. Our players are actually getting worse.

Add in the bad decision making during games and it doesn't lead to hope for next year.

[msstate7]

My biggest worry is that all I heard was how valuable the extra 15 practices were. It is another spring practice so you can get a lot of development to get ready for spring

That team looked worse than the team that beat ASU. Good coaching actually develops players. Our players are actually getting worse.

Add in the bad decision making during games and it doesn't lead to hope for next year.

He's a total and complete bust, and only those who won't admit they're wrong are backing him

[Pancho]

how many more bust years will he get, 3 or maybe 4?

[Turfdawg67]

We didn't try to run clock against Texas. We were running fast and snapping the ball with 30 seconds on the playclock. I will give him credit that for 3 quarters he looked like a coach who knew what he was doing. Then he went completely retarded.

OMG, if he went conservative, like Mullen v Bama, ppl would rip him for taking the foot off the throat.

[Political Hack]

He made some pretty poor in-game decisions so far, but the team is improving. Next year will tell the tale on Lebby as HC. I don't have a great deal of confidence, but I think he deserves the chance to get it right. I hope he spends a little time looking back at games this year and looking at what he could've done differently.

That said, this was not the year to make a move. Michigan just hired a guy that would've crawled to Starkville for our job a year or two ago.

[Quaoarsking]

OMG, if he went conservative, like Mullen v Bama, ppl would rip him for taking the foot off the throat.

I mean, if he won we would have all been thrilled no matter how it happened, and if he blew a 17-point lead and lost, we would have all (well, not all actually...) been upset no matter how it happened.

[Quaoarsking]

He made some pretty poor in-game decisions so far, but the team is improving. Next year will tell the tale on Lebby as HC. I don't have a great deal of confidence, but I think he deserves the chance to get it right. I hope he spends a little time looking back at games this year and looking at what he could've done differently.

That said, this was not the year to make a move. Michigan just hired a guy that would've crawled to Starkville for our job a year or two ago.

Are we though? I would say we got worse from September to October, worse from October to November, and worse from November to January.

[BlackSailsDawg]

The "discord" is being caused by our 2-17 head coach, and his so-called supporters who won't even try to argue that he's doing a good job but instead just call the majority stupid for thinking 2-17 isn't good enough.

It's OK for people to want to make a coaching change. It was OK in 2008, 2019, 2023, and it's OK now too. It's fine for people to talk about it on a message board.

You are full of crap. We have explained it over and over. It's to the point that people are tired of actually responding to you few. That makes you think that you are in the majority. It doesn't. It means we get it is useless because you have an agenda and have little reasoning skills. We simply sit back and laugh.

But for you once more. Then it's back to laughing at you few.

- Lebby walked into very little. What we did have as far as production, he brought in. We lacked the system and the money. Nobody is really going to count that first year due to the over all circumstances.

- In year 2 massive improvement every where. That leads to more money and the reason why we are getting great options coming in via the portal.

So yes. He has taken the beating and improved. That's what he was paid to do. There is nothing that shows we will not improve. In fact, the move on defense alone makes next year better. Arnett is a proven DC and we had the #12 rush dfense with him here and our defenses consistently ranked in the 30s. T fact he is making changes on the offense along with the dedication to bring in an OL and DL shows there will be improvement.

Make zero mistake. Nobody is satisfied with 5 wins. We just aren't interested in your solution to fire a coach that is improving our team.

[Turfdawg67]

He's a total and complete bust, and only those who won't admit they're wrong are backing him

It's bad and last night almost moved me completely. But I still consider this year 1, and I would like to see vast improvements next year. Hell, we've sucked for most of 100 years, what's one more?!? His underwhelming hires this offseason haven't instilled much hope however.

[msstate7]

Be so terrible that you lose yo Toledo by 40 at home, so the next season you get credit for close losses.