If we're so hopelessly poor that it doesn't matter who our coach is...

[Quaoarsking]

Then why does everyone who says this so adamantly and angrily defend him?

After all, if it doesn't matter either way, why not make the fanbase happy?

[confucius say]

That's a false narrative.
Hire the right guy and everything will fall into place (that doesn't mean make a playoff, it just means be solid to good).
Lebby gets one more year to see if he is the guy.

[DownwardDawg]

That's a false narrative.
Hire the right guy and everything will fall into place (that doesn't mean make a playoff, it just means be solid to good).
Lebby gets one more year to see if he is the guy.

He's not the guy. He looks miserable. If we somehow buy him enough talent to win 7 games next year, he's jumping on the first offer he gets. We hate him, he hates us. It's over.

[msstate7]

He's not the guy. He looks miserable. If we somehow buy him enough talent to win 7 games next year, he's jumping on the first offer he gets. We hate him, he hates us. It's over.

I hate him more

[confucius say]

Not sure why anybody would hate him. That's wild.

If he goes 7-5 next year, he should get support, not hate. That would mean he's improved the win total every year and has made changes to the staff that are working.

[parabrave]

Not only is he not that guy but tell me who on his coaching staff is. And since this is his 2nd portal does anyone any confidence in properly evaluating players. I mean the only 3 guys that he got who were productive were Thompson and Evans and Jones. Thats it.

[AROB44]

"We hate him, he hates us."

That's a pretty broad statement. How do you know this for sure? Or is it just your opinion?

[Todd4State]

Here's the thing. We need to improve our NIL regardless of who the coach is.

That is NOT a defense of Lebby. It is wanting to help MSU football get better regardless of WHO the coach is. Do not confuse the two.

If Lebby sucks and isn't the guy like you think it wouldn't matter if we gave more money. But it would help us in hiring the next guy who can take advantage of the money. Coaching prospects are looking at how much NIL resources they have available. They're looking at the staff structure to see if it's in place so they can just bring over their scouting dept because otherwise they have to build everything.

[Todd4State]

MSU sabotaging a coach hurts MSU.

[confucius say]

We will get a lot more money flowing in if we hire the right guy. People are more likely to give to a winner. Or at least someone they believe in.

Indiana is a good example.

[DownwardDawg]

"We hate him, he hates us."

That's a pretty broad statement. How do you know this for sure? Or is it just your opinion?

100% opinion. But it's based on talking to people and reading several boards and watching Lebby.
You can't take what I or anyone else posts so literally. I do not hate Lebby at all. I want him to win. But he sucks. He's a terrible coach. Fans are emotional. They tell you real quick that they "can't stand" Lebby. And when you see him on the sidelines, he looks checked out. He looks ready to go.

[Todd4State]

We will get a lot more money flowing in if we hire the right guy. People are more likely to give to a winner. Or at least someone they believe in.

Indiana is a good example.

Sure but that doesn't mean don't give in the meantime.

I don't think we get O'Connor if we completely stopped supporting baseball.

We have to be able to set ourselves up for success to get a winner. Because winners aren't going to go somewhere that they aren't set up to succeed.

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

I was semi enthusiastic about Lebby early in the season.

I don't personally hate him and thinks he does a decent job at motivating the team and getting a lot out of players that others do not expect a lot out of.

However.

He personally cost us 3 games this year with his idiotic decision making in the Tennessee, Florida, and Texas games. I see no signs that he regrets anything he called and that has made me turn on him. He's not smart enough to be the coach of this team.

[Todd4State]

I was semi enthusiastic about Lebby early in the season.

I don't personally hate him and thinks he does a decent job at motivating the team and getting a lot out of players that others do not expect a lot out of.

However.

He personally cost us 3 games this year with his idiotic decision making in the Tennessee, Florida, and Texas games. I see no signs that he regrets anything he called and that has made me turn on him. He's not smart enough to be the coach of this team.

We beat Tennessee if our offensive line doesn't whiff and Shapen gets sacked. We tried to run the clock out against Texas and couldn't because of our offensive line. And we executed poorly on punt coverage.

Those issues are corrected with better talent.

[Quaoarsking]

We beat Tennessee if our offensive line doesn't whiff and Shapen gets sacked. We tried to run the clock out against Texas and couldn't because of our offensive line. And we executed poorly on punt coverage.

Those issues are corrected with better talent.

We 100% did not. I counted 4 snaps with over 20 seconds left on the play clock (with the game clock running) in the last 10 minutes of the game. That's a coaching issue.

[Quaoarsking]

That's a false narrative.
Hire the right guy and everything will fall into place (that doesn't mean make a playoff, it just means be solid to good).
Lebby gets one more year to see if he is the guy.

What in the world do you think he can plausibly show next year to overcome the huge whole he himself has dug?

[Todd4State]

We 100% did not. I counted 4 snaps with over 20 seconds left on the play clock (with the game clock running) in the last 10 minutes of the game. That's a coaching issue.

I'm talking about the beginning of the fourth quarter when we had a two score lead. We tried to run clock and went three and out. Then Lebby on the drive you are referencing tried to get our offense back into rhythm and it didn't work either.

Regardless we have to be able to run the ball there, tried to do so, and were unable to do it because our offensive line couldn't get the job done.

[Quaoarsking]

Every argument in favor of Lebby takes the following form:

• Hey, fuсk you! You don't know anything!
• We have so little money that even schools like Wake Forest and Toledo would blow us out, and no coach will ever be able to change that, so why bother changing coaches?
• Unless you are personally donating millions of dollars to buy him out all by yourself, shut the hell up!

It's nothing like Moorhead or Arnett or Lemonis. All of those coaches had their supporters (more supporters than Lebby does now, that's for sure), but it stayed civil, and the fans of those schools could at least point to something that they had accomplished as a coach as a reason to think they could get better. Lebby supporters can't point to anything, so they just go for anger and vitriol, but instead of directing that anger and vitriol at the coach who is 2-17 against P5 competition despite having had rosters that could have won 6 or 7 of those games, it's directed at the people who are tired of the losing and underachieving.

[Quaoarsking]

I'm talking about the beginning of the fourth quarter when we had a two score lead. We tried to run clock and went three and out. Then Lebby on the drive you are referencing tried to get our offense back into rhythm and it didn't work either.

Regardless we have to be able to run the ball there, tried to do so, and were unable to do it because our offensive line couldn't get the job done.

So trying to run clock for a little bit and then giving up is good enough for you? Jesus Christ, dude...

[Todd4State]

So trying to run clock for a little bit and then giving up is good enough for you? Jesus Christ, dude...

Give up? He was trying to get the offense to work again so we could run the clock out. Guess what happens if he kept doing what wasn't working. You would be saying "I can't believe all of a sudden we stopped being aggressive and started to do something that "obviously" wasn't working.

Lebby is in a no win situation with you so just enjoy the "loss".