As I have told you multiple times

[Todd4State]

To be fair a lot of that had to do with the arm talent we had at QB.

Even more of it had to do with his decision making. He was too unsure too much and would check it down too much.

Leach wanted him to throw it downfield more like all of us.

A check down is a third read. Very few times do you run a play where a swing pass to a running back is the first read.

[Quaoarsking]

Lebby's O in Y1 and Y2 were better than Leach's Y1/Y2

Not according to FPI:

https://www.espn.com/college-footbal...encies/group/8
https://www.espn.com/college-footbal...n/2024/group/8

https://www.espn.com/college-footbal...n/2022/group/8
https://www.espn.com/college-footbal...n/2021/group/8
https://www.espn.com/college-footbal...n/2020/group/8

[Matt3467]

Lebby's O in Y1 and Y2 were better than Leach's Y1/Y2

But who won more? Also Leach played a far more difficult schedule across his first two years than Lebby.

Leach's offense improved significantly more in year two than year one much more so than Lebby did. Playing an all SEC schedule in 2020 without a spring and a few games with half a football team is not really fair to weigh against Leach but it's done all the time. His offense jumped from 340ypg to 440ypg from year to year and scored 8 more ppg. While Lebby went from 377ypg to 398ypg and 5ppg.

[mckeen]

Dickie Scruggs, felon. That is all.

[Coach34]

But who won more? Also Leach played a far more difficult schedule across his first two years than Lebby.

Leach inherited some dudes on defense. Lebby inherited a juco team. Leach's recruiting was shit and he was gonna be exposed had he stayed around

[Coach34]

Not according to FPI:

https://www.espn.com/college-footbal...encies/group/8
https://www.espn.com/college-footbal...n/2024/group/8

https://www.espn.com/college-footbal...n/2022/group/8
https://www.espn.com/college-footbal...n/2021/group/8
https://www.espn.com/college-footbal...n/2020/group/8

I dont do FPI- I do actual totals that happened

[Quaoarsking]

I dont do FPI- I do actual totals that happened

"I do actual totals that happened"
And also "sure Leach won games, but hypothetically I imagine that he would have stopped winning if he hadn't died."

[Coach34]

"I do actual totals that happened"
And also "sure Leach won games, but hypothetically I imagine that he would have stopped winning if he hadn't died."

Shall we compare Leach's defenses vs Lebbys?

[Coach34]

Year 1: Leach's D 6th in the SEC...Lebby? Dead last because no talent was left

Year 2? Leach had the 9th D while Lebby in Y2 had the 15th

Leach inherited Dudes. Now its NIL/Portal and moneyyyyy.

[Quaoarsking]

Shall we compare Leach's defenses vs Lebbys?

The FPI links I gave you show defense too. Compare away.

[msstate7]

I dont do FPI- I do actual totals that happened

Spoken like the complete moron you are. We were favored tonight

[msstate7]

The FPI links I gave you show defense too. Compare away.

You're taking to a complete idiot that is grabbing at anything while in the quick sand that is Lebby support

[Coach34]

We are 5-7. There was no reason for us to be favored. They are an 8 win team

[msstate7]

We are 5-7. There was no reason for us to be favored. They are an 8 win team

Yet, we were. Vegas just didn't realize how terrible our coaching was

[Quaoarsking]

We are 5-7. There was no reason for us to be favored. They are an 8 win team

FPI favored us. The SEC may have gotten passed by the Big 10, but not the ACC.

[Coursesuper]

FPI favored us. The SEC may have gotten passed by the Big 10, but not the ACC.

You know absolutely dick about football. It’s breathtakingly painful to behold the absurdity of your confidence rapped up in total ignorance. Sadly the real problem is to know that you don’t know you have to be able to realize that.

[Quaoarsking]

You know absolutely dick about football. It’s breathtakingly painful to behold the absurdity of your confidence rapped up in total ignorance. Sadly the real problem is to know that you don’t know you have to be able to realize that.

Sorry I don't have your level of football knowledge to realize that actually the ACC is better than the SEC in football. I'll try to do better.

[Santiago]

Maybe so. But I think you are missing the other side of what I'm saying. You think it's just the ones who wish for an old smash mouth style of offense as an issue. I know multiple that were only invested in Mike Leach or only invested because they have some place at the table. When Mike died they left the table. When those lost a place at the table they took their ball and went home. Or the ones who pushed in Cohen. It's more of those types, way more, than those who wish we would run the ball more. Many of the run the ball types gave during Leach and still do.

No that is not at all what I think.
Comment was when we were winning, who was griping and why. How fast did we start hearing "Blue Collar" as soon as certain coaches get hired. It is a very old MSU thing.

My comment is not about wanting any offense, it is how assinine our old school fanbase acted when we were winning, and posted here, wanting the 1990s again.
Does not matter to me if we run the triple option, as long as we win.

[Santiago]

How much does it cost to just have freaking special teams against mid level ACC teams?

[msstate7]

Sorry I don't have your level of football knowledge to realize that actually the ACC is better than the SEC in football. I'll try to do better.

If you say something to c34, he's gonna be on you. We should all have a hero in our life, so in that respect, good for him that c34 is that shining light to him