The one major thing that sticks in my crawl about Lebby is that he refuses to

[Tbonewannabe]

And to add to this, I sat in the stands and watched the best offensive performance at MSU since Dak for a little over 3 quarters against TX. Guess who was sitting on the sidelines.

Shapen was good when he had protection. The problem was that he was horrific when he didn't. Basically Shapen > KT when the Oline was at least mediocre. KT > Shapen when the Oline was one of the worst in the SEC. KT could escape the pocket where Shapen could not.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Hadad Gets it....this is exactly what i was talking about with KT vs Shapen. I rest my case!

https://www.facebook.com/reel/843009558311404

LMAO! "I rest my case!".... LMAO!

Dude, I don't give a fook about Hadad nor his opinion.

"I REST MY CASE!"

[BlackSailsDawg]

Him and Faulk are fans. You cannot think of them as members of the media. If you think of them as members of the media then you will be left scratching your head at about half of what they say. If you just say that they are fans and, like fans, they have bad takes and are completely irrational sometimes then you kind of just laugh at what they say.

That is not to say they do not have sources or I do not agree with their takes, because some of them are on the money. But just take most of what they say with a grain of salt.

The best quote I've heard about this is, "Homers tend to get emotional and emotional people make bad journalists." That's why I push back so hard on literally all of our media being legit media members. By and large, they are fans. They have some good articles and have some good takes, but they have just as many emotional takes(good and bad) that take away from them being actual media members.

Faulk is horrible too. I do not think I have ever met a more emotional rag of a guy.

[Pancho]

both are pretty nice guys who are huge fan boys and I pay no attention to them. they are much akin to ben garrett up north on the plantation except ben is an actual prick

[StarkVegasSteve]

Faulk is horrible too. I do not think I have ever met a more emotional rag of a guy.

He's a fan. He's no different than any of us. We're emotional too. That's what I'm saying though, you have to stop thinking of fanboy media as real media. They're not. That's not a knock on them. They're just not. Billy Luicci is fanboy media and he's highly successful. Same thing with the KY Sports Radio guys. I mean no one thinks Ben Garrett or Chase Parham are real media. No one thinks Steve Robertson is real media. Think of Faulk and Hadad in that same way. They're fans. There's nothing wrong with it. I used to really not like either of them, but the minute I stopped thinking of them as media, I didn't care anymore. I take most of what they say with a grain of salt. I treat their stuff like I treat message board posts. There's some good info and some bad. There's some good takes and there's some just god awful takes.

[TrapGame]

He's a fan. He's no different than any of us. We're emotional too. That's what I'm saying though, you have to stop thinking of fanboy media as real media. They're not. That's not a knock on them. They're just not. Billy Luicci is fanboy media and he's highly successful. Same thing with the KY Sports Radio guys. I mean no one thinks Ben Garrett or Chase Parham are real media. No one thinks Steve Robertson is real media. Think of Faulk and Hadad in that same way. They're fans. There's nothing wrong with it. I used to really not like either of them, but the minute I stopped thinking of them as media, I didn't care anymore. I take most of what they say with a grain of salt. I treat their stuff like I treat message board posts. There's some good info and some bad. There's some good takes and there's some just god awful takes.

The problem with that is Hadad is on the radio not a message board. I had to tell two of my State coworkers, who were freaking out bc they thought we were seriously going after Muschamp and failed epically, that Hadad was 100% wrong. They think he has sources and knows what is going on in the program.

[BlackSailsDawg]

He's a fan. He's no different than any of us. We're emotional too. That's what I'm saying though, you have to stop thinking of fanboy media as real media. They're not. That's not a knock on them. They're just not. Billy Luicci is fanboy media and he's highly successful. Same thing with the KY Sports Radio guys. I mean no one thinks Ben Garrett or Chase Parham are real media. No one thinks Steve Robertson is real media. Think of Faulk and Hadad in that same way. They're fans. There's nothing wrong with it. I used to really not like either of them, but the minute I stopped thinking of them as media, I didn't care anymore. I take most of what they say with a grain of salt. I treat their stuff like I treat message board posts. There's some good info and some bad. There's some good takes and there's some just god awful takes.

What I meant was he's so emotional and defensive he was about in tears.

That's not fanhood.

[StarkVegasSteve]

The problem with that is Hadad is on the radio not a message board. I had to tell two of my State coworkers, who were freaking out bc they thought we were seriously going after Muschamp and failed epically, that Hadad was 100% wrong. They think he has sources and knows what is going on in the program.

He has sources. He's worked the beat long enough that you develop sources. I mean Brian has been on the beat, I think, for almost 15 years. He's going to develop sources during that time period. Chase Parham is the most well sourced person at OM and he's fan media. You can be in fan media and have sources, they just aren't going to be the best and most accurate sometimes. I still don't understand the whining about Muschamp. It's very well documented, by legit Muschamp himself, how happy he is in quasi retirement in Athens.

[StarkVegasSteve]

What I meant was he's so emotional and defensive he was about in tears.

That's not fanhood.

I don't know what to tell you because I haven't seen that. I mean if you don't like him, just don't listen. I don't really listen to them too much anymore. I actually listen to Neal McCready more than I listen to anyone at Mississippi State. I listen to him and Tyler Siskey 2x week and I'll listen to him and Chase a couple of times a week. Their podcasts don't feel like they're preaching at anyone. I feel like Faulk and Hadad try to preach at their listeners to think like them. Nothing wrong with that, it seems to be their style. I just don't enjoy it. They also don't really tell me anything I don't already know. Neal and Tyler, and Neal and Chase as well, also discuss the entire conference and other stuff and I enjoy that far more than I do listening to someone just complain about Mississippi State constantly with brief intermissions of admitting we did something right.

[TrapGame]

He has sources. He's worked the beat long enough that you develop sources. I mean Brian has been on the beat, I think, for almost 15 years. He's going to develop sources during that time period. Chase Parham is the most well sourced person at OM and he's fan media. You can be in fan media and have sources, they just aren't going to be the best and most accurate sometimes. I still don't understand the whining about Muschamp. It's very well documented, by legit Muschamp himself, how happy he is in quasi retirement in Athens.

I think you are missing the context of what actually came out of his mouth. I listened to it live coming home from work. Hadad was pissed we did not have Muschamp with a contract on his way to Starkville. Hadad literally said he was in Athens doing nothing right now. Then he wanted to know what this staff was doing. Why are they not in the ball.

I understand there is an entertainment angle to this but this sort of ill informed tirade harms us more than it helps us.

[BlackSailsDawg]

I don't know what to tell you because I haven't seen that. I mean if you don't like him, just don't listen. I don't really listen to them too much anymore. I actually listen to Neal McCready more than I listen to anyone at Mississippi State. I listen to him and Tyler Siskey 2x week and I'll listen to him and Chase a couple of times a week. Their podcasts don't feel like they're preaching at anyone. I feel like Faulk and Hadad try to preach at their listeners to think like them. Nothing wrong with that, it seems to be their style. I just don't enjoy it. They also don't really tell me anything I don't already know. Neal and Tyler, and Neal and Chase as well, also discuss the entire conference and other stuff and I enjoy that far more than I do listening to someone just complain about Mississippi State constantly with brief intermissions of admitting we did something right.

I don't listen to them. In fact, about the only things I listen to is the pregame and post game. At the same time, I don't watch or listen to news.

Correction... I watch Matt footage break down

[StarkVegasSteve]

I think you are missing the context of what actually came out of his mouth. I listened to it live coming home from work. Hadad was pissed we did not have Muschamp with a contract on his way to Starkville. Hadad literally said he was in Athens doing nothing right now. Then he wanted to know what this staff was doing. Why are they not in the ball.

I understand there is an entertainment angle to this but this sort of ill informed tirade harms us more than it helps us.

It really doesn't. Because most people understand he's a fan. He's not a legit member of the media. Fans have bad irrational takes. Just like that one. Now if he would've went on there and said, "My sources have told me Will Muschamp is very interested in coming to Starkville." and then went on his tirade, I would have a problem. Because that would be lying to the fanbase. Him saying he wants Will Muschamp is like me saying we need to go hire Glenn Schumann. I can scream it from the rooftops but that doesn't make it any closer to happening.

[Coursesuper]

It really doesn't. Because most people understand he's a fan. He's not a legit member of the media. Fans have bad irrational takes. Just like that one. Now if he would've went on there and said, "My sources have told me Will Muschamp is very interested in coming to Starkville." and then went on his tirade, I would have a problem. Because that would be lying to the fanbase. Him saying he wants Will Muschamp is like me saying we need to go hire Glenn Schumann. I can scream it from the rooftops but that doesn't make it any closer to happening.

I completely get where you are coming from and it makes sense, the difference is that these fanboy media types have a megaphone spewing bullshat like what Trap is referencing. They have influence and these same bad, no info takes show up here and elsewhere on the reg and are repeated like truth.

[TrapGame]

I completely get where you are coming from and it makes sense, the difference is that these fanboy media types have a megaphone spewing bullshat like what Trap is referencing. They have influence and these same bad, no info takes show up here and elsewhere on the reg and are repeated like truth.

Exactly!

[BlackSailsDawg]

I completely get where you are coming from and it makes sense, the difference is that these fanboy media types have a megaphone spewing bullshat like what Trap is referencing. They have influence and these same bad, no info takes show up here and elsewhere on the reg and are repeated like truth.

Yep

[StarkVegasSteve]

I completely get where you are coming from and it makes sense, the difference is that these fanboy media types have a megaphone spewing bullshat like what Trap is referencing. They have influence and these same bad, no info takes show up here and elsewhere on the reg and are repeated like truth.

They have influence if you let them. But it's like I was saying, think of them as fans. They are, sometimes, well sourced fans. They have good takes, bad takes, and just plain astronomically stupid takes.

[Coursesuper]

They have influence if you let them. But it's like I was saying, think of them as fans. They are, sometimes, well sourced fans. They have good takes, bad takes, and just plain astronomically stupid takes.

Yes, all true you are absolutely correct. Only thing is that there are a lot of people searching for any info on MSU sports and view these fanboys as experts (ie. ole 99jc), and they are and will take the good, the bad and the absurd as gospel. Like I've said before these guys don't do us any favors. What everyone has to try to understand is that all these fanboys are in the end just selling a product wrapped in whatever colors the school they follow happen to be.

[Pancho]

they wanna feel like they are way more important and influential than they are.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Yes, all true you are absolutely correct. Only thing is that there are a lot of people searching for any info on MSU sports and view these fanboys as experts (ie. ole 99jc), and they are and will take the good, the bad and the absurd as gospel. Like I've said before these guys don't do us any favors. What everyone has to try to understand is that all these fanboys are in the end just selling a product wrapped in whatever colors the school they follow happen to be.

100%. Ben Garrett, Chase Parham, Robbie Faulk, Paul Jones, Gabe DeArmond, Billy Liucci, Matt Jones, etc. They are all fans. They don't want to be a Pete Nakos, Pete Thamel, Chris Low, Mark Schlabach, etc. They are content writing for fan sites. And that's ok. Because for guys like Liucci and Jones they have made a very good living doing that because they have branched their fan sites into legit money making enterprises. But fans don't make good journalists. Because fans let emotion into the equation.

[Todd4State]

They have influence if you let them. But it's like I was saying, think of them as fans. They are, sometimes, well sourced fans. They have good takes, bad takes, and just plain astronomically stupid takes.

Well, they definitely have some influence at least indirectly. I would say most of the things that they have come up with whether it's painting the end zones to what kind of coach MSU should hire- MSU has done a lot of it. The script State on the football helmets is another example.

Now, no they aren't going to be able to go up to Kennum and Selmon and be like "Do this now" and it happens.

BUT if you can build a following and you influence enough people to say the same thing then MSU does notice that. That's where their "power" is. Hell, they were using their followers to try to get more media access this past offseason. What Joe from Bogue Chitto is sitting on his couch going "gee I wish the media had more access"? That came from somewhere.

And then anyone that disagrees with them they basically belittle them and their followers just chime right on in and there's really not much discourse. Even if they're wrong. And that's really the biggest issue with fanboys IMO. Yes, sometimes their ideas are good but sometimes their ideas really aren't very good either. And there is really no one there to hold them accountable. I hate to bring it up but an example would be Kevin Barbay. He basically fit the mold of the OC that they preferred and it was a complete disaster. Not that they hired the guy or had any say in it but you don't have anyone saying "this is what you wanted and it sucks." And if you did then the excuses come and it's really Dave Emrick's fault, I was just trying to be positive after a tragic situation, I'm just a preacher's kid, I just sell pizzas whatever it is.