Where Things Stand Currently

[SPMT]

We seem to be focusing on DC but if Lebby doesn?t also hire an OC of some sort, I feel the impulsive in game decisions will continue. He operates in many many games like I did in college playing NCAA football video games. Impulsive and with no calm logical thought. He needs to write situational calls and decisions on that Waffle House menu and follow it in game.

[basedog]

I don't have a problem with Lebby calling plays, it's who he is, but I would like to see a hire for assistant HC helping with decision makings mostly during games.

[TrapGame]

We seem to be focusing on DC but if Lebby doesn?t also hire an OC of some sort, I feel the impulsive in game decisions will continue. He operates in many many games like I did in college playing NCAA football video games. Impulsive and with no calm logical thought. He needs to write situational calls and decisions on that Waffle House menu and follow it in game.

If the Kendall Briles situation comes to fruition it will help Lebby a lot.

[BlackSailsDawg]

We seem to be focusing on DC but if Lebby doesn?t also hire an OC of some sort, I feel the impulsive in game decisions will continue. He operates in many many games like I did in college playing NCAA football video games. Impulsive and with no calm logical thought. He needs to write situational calls and decisions on that Waffle House menu and follow it in game.

I believe that's the difference in modern football and JWS days. Lebby is by far not the only coach to do these things. It's all based on analytics. If it point to going for it on 4th down, then they are going for it playing the odds. Deboer did it vs Auburn. Inside Auburn's 10. tied 20 to 20 with less than 3 minutes left. His options were chip shot inside the 10 or go for it. He went and they scored. Lane did it on the road alot. One game was vs OU. On his on 25. He did not make it.

Think about it like this. If you are averaging 6 yards per carry in game, and it's 4th and 3... Punt or go for it are the option. Everything points towards going for it.

[KB21]

I believe that's the difference in modern football and JWS days. Lebby is by far not the only coach to do these things. It's all based on analytics. If it point to going for it on 4th down, then they are going for it playing the odds. Deboer did it vs Auburn. Inside Auburn's 10. tied 20 to 20 with less than 3 minutes left. His options were chip shot inside the 10 or go for it. He went and they scored. Lane did it on the road alot. One game was vs OU. On his on 25. He did not make it.

Think about it like this. If you are averaging 6 yards per carry in game, and it's 4th and 3... Punt or go for it are the option. Everything points towards going for it.

This, and I hope Jeff Lebby never gets rid of this mindset. Analytics helps you make decisions that can win you the game. Conventional wisdom helps you make decisions that won't lose you the game.

[PGHBulldogBG]

I believe that's the difference in modern football and JWS days. Lebby is by far not the only coach to do these things. It's all based on analytics. If it point to going for it on 4th down, then they are going for it playing the odds. Deboer did it vs Auburn. Inside Auburn's 10. tied 20 to 20 with less than 3 minutes left. His options were chip shot inside the 10 or go for it. He went and they scored. Lane did it on the road alot. One game was vs OU. On his on 25. He did not make it.

Think about it like this. If you are averaging 6 yards per carry in game, and it's 4th and 3... Punt or go for it are the option. Everything points towards going for it.

I would potentially be more willing to agree with this if we had the same talent level as upper tier SEC teams. Unfortunately, we do not fit into that category. If we make mistakes such as missing 4th downs and turnovers, we are not winning games with our talent deficiency.

[Tater]

Analytics wins out over the long-haul. Gut feel / momentum / game flow dictate who wins individual games.

That's why Analytics helped teams have great regular seasons in MLB. (See the Sabremetrics making the As good enough to make the postseason) But the analytics and winning over time get beaten up by "Small Sample Size".

To bring it back on topic - that's why I'm glad to hear that OC change may be coming. Would be stunned at anything before this class wraps up being announced (So Friday likely starts a lot of official shuffling on the coordinator front and Sunday/Monday will be very busy - weird how this is like the NFL draft firing GMs right after the draft because that's the smartest time in the cycle.

[shoeless joe]

This, and I hope Jeff Lebby never gets rid of this mindset. Analytics helps you make decisions that can win you the game. Conventional wisdom helps you make decisions that won't lose you the game.

not to totally derail...but the problem with analytics is that it doesn't account for the human element and all the variables, just like in baseball.

examples from egg bowl right off the top of my head: KT runs for his life on his second TD. he's obviously gassed and is huffing and puffing looking to the sideline for the two point call. so we run a roll out run/pass option.
very similar to when fluff busts a long run up our sideline going toward north endzone...i forget the quarter but it was when we were still in the game. then we hand it to him on the very next play and he has nothing to give.
these are dumb situational calls.

from the arkansas game: KT just scored on 2/3 possesions and had a nice drive on the one he didn't score on. the ability to use the QB as a runner opened up the run game AND the pass game. so we bring shapen in and he immediately turns it over (i know it wasn't his fault as it was a tipped ball the technically should have been caught).

point is these are just 3 decisions that at the time they were happening were no brainer poor in game decisions and i'm not even talking about 4th downs.

again, sorry to derail but your constantly acting like none of Lebby's decisions should be questioned and that is a maroon blind way of looking at it. i'm pro Lebby, as of now, and 100% think he should be back next year and i enjoy the potential his offense brings. but damn he definitely should be questioned about multiple mind numbing in game situational decisions.

[BlackSailsDawg]

On Durkin. Something will be decided today on the part of Auburn. Golesh set a 24 hour time frame for Durkin per 247 Auburn. IT's close to that time frame. Even if we are not in contact, we need to get a DC before they are pretty much taken. White is already off the board.

[CaptainObvious]

On Durkin. Something will be decided today on the part of Auburn. Golesh set a 24 hour time frame for Durkin per 247 Auburn. IT's close to that time frame. Even if we are not in contact, we need to get a DC before they are pretty much taken. White is already off the board.

That is my concern. All the good ones taken by the new head coaches. Then we get down to a limited pool that may not be any better than Hutzler, and??.

[BlackSailsDawg]

That is my concern. All the good ones taken by the new head coaches. Then we get down to a limited pool that may not be any better than Hutzler, and??.

Always a concern

[Hot Rock]

all I have to say to the limited pool topic is $$$$ talks and BS walks.

[Coach34]

On Durkin. Something will be decided today on the part of Auburn. Golesh set a 24 hour time frame for Durkin per 247 Auburn. IT's close to that time frame. Even if we are not in contact, we need to get a DC before they are pretty much taken. White is already off the board.

Auburn supposedly has offered him $3MM to stay

[Hot Rock]

Auburn supposedly has offered him $3MM to stay

I guess we will find out how serious State is about getting him. There will have to be a bunch of NIL as well.

[Tater]

I guess we will find out how serious State is about getting him. There will have to be a bunch of NIL as well.

State hasn't made a serious run at him. So when you inevitably end up disappointed remember that the rumor about us going after him came from OM 247. Somehow we trust them on our searches when you can't even trust them on their own searches. Insanity.

[StarkVegasSteve]

State hasn't made a serious run at him. So when you inevitably end up disappointed remember that the rumor about us going after him came from OM 247. Somehow we trust them on our searches when you can't even trust them on their own searches. Insanity.

Yep. They tried to first spin the narrative that Womack was overrated and then when that was disproven they changed the narrative to the only reason we got him was because Durkin was coming to be the DC.

DJ may very well end up being the DC, but Bralan flipping to us has nothing to do with that. We never gave up in his recruitment and when Freeze was fired Lebby, Barnes, and our boosters turned up the heat on him.

[DEDawg]

So where are we on Briles?

[StarkVegasSteve]

So where are we on Briles?

I would not expect anything on that until after NSD and it could be after their bowl game. I really don't know the timing for that deal.

[BlackSailsDawg]

So where are we on Briles?

TCU will get a bowl game. Looks like no later than Jan 2nd. I am not sure how that plays out for him or us.

[StarkVegasSteve]

TCU will get a bowl game. Looks like no later than Jan 2nd. I am not sure how that plays out for him or us.

The good news is that you're not really firing an OC because Lebby calls the plays. You can bring Kendall in whenever you want and not really miss a beat.