Where Things Stand Currently

[Brobi-wan]

If he truly doesn't want to change things, I think you have to let him go

Now this I agree with.

[Saltydog]

Bringing Dan back would IMMEDIATELY fire up an uninspired fan base as it stands now. Plus, all his former NFL players would be stoked as well and probably get more involved. Cox, Sweat, Prescott, Simmons, Jones are all big money boys that would love to see Dan back.

[Quaoarsking]

Bringing Dan back would IMMEDIATELY fire up an uninspired fan base as it stands now. Plus, all his former NFL players would be stoked as well and probably get more involved. Cox, Sweat, Prescott, Simmons, Jones are all big money boys that would love to see Dan back.

No question about this. There is a wave of extreme pessimism, and even worse - apathy - reverberating through our fanbase right now. It's as bad as it's ever been, and a Dan Mullen return would be a huge shot in the arm. We desperately need it.

Even the fans who don't remember him as fondly as most of us will probably be able to convince themselves that Dan + Taylor = some fun few years ahead of us.

[Quaoarsking]

What was Dan's greatest weakness when he was here? Recruiting. I wouldn't call it "laziness" but he just wasn't going to kiss ass, even if it cost us a future NFL star who lived in Starkville.

That weakness is now neutralized. If NIL existed back then, every recruiting battle would have just come down to whatever NIL we offered. Mullen would have still been good at finding undervalued players.

[Todd4State]

Bringing Dan back would IMMEDIATELY fire up an uninspired fan base as it stands now. Plus, all his former NFL players would be stoked as well and probably get more involved. Cox, Sweat, Prescott, Simmons, Jones are all big money boys that would love to see Dan back.

Or it would completely split the fan base. Bringing back coaches for a round two historically hasn't worked as well as the first round.

[Thick]

What was Dan's greatest weakness when he was here? Recruiting. I wouldn't call it "laziness" but he just wasn't going to kiss ass, even if it cost us a future NFL star who lived in Starkville.

That weakness is now neutralized. If NIL existed back then, every recruiting battle would have just come down to whatever NIL we offered. Mullen would have still been good at finding undervalued players.

Didn?t AJ?s dad tell Dan that $250k would put AJ in maroon & white? Dan chuckled and said ?that?s LT money.?

[Todd4State]

What was Dan's greatest weakness when he was here? Recruiting. I wouldn't call it "laziness" but he just wasn't going to kiss ass, even if it cost us a future NFL star who lived in Starkville.

That weakness is now neutralized. If NIL existed back then, every recruiting battle would have just come down to whatever NIL we offered. Mullen would have still been good at finding undervalued players.

I think he could make it worse actually. He doesn't like to kiss anyone's ass which is why he was a bad recruiter. And you have to kiss more ass than ever before. You can't tell recruits 17 you if they don't commit right away. And money is the reason we didn't even pursue AJ Brown like we should have.

Also, he was horrible against top 25 teams at MSU. Our schedule is much more difficult now with 9 SEC games and a mandatory P5 game. When Dan was at his peak MSU was able to build in 4 wins. And as far as winning Egg Bowls- Dan only beat an Ole Miss team with a winning record twice in his career at MSU.

[Quaoarsking]

Or it would completely split the fan base. Bringing back coaches for a round two historically hasn't worked as well as the first round.

The fanbase is already "completely split," or really something even worse - mostly against the current regime and growing apathetic.

At a minimum, the percentage of our fans who enthusiastically support the head coach would shoot way up.

[Quaoarsking]

Every single criticism you can come up with about Mullen is something that Lebby is even worse at.

[DEDawg]

Every single criticism you can come up with about Mullen is something that Lebby is even worse at.

I don't think Lebby is shopping himself every November before the egg bowl

[Todd4State]

The fanbase is already "completely split," or really something even worse - mostly against the current regime and growing apathetic.

At a minimum, the percentage of our fans who enthusiastically support the head coach would shoot way up.

That's even more reason to NOT hire another coach that would split the fan base even further.

[Todd4State]

Every single criticism you can come up with about Mullen is something that Lebby is even worse at.

Ok so again even more reason to hire someone better than both of them.

You're basically saying that we should hire a turd that is shiny because it's shiny. But the truth is it's a turd. And then what does MSU do when Dan leaves? We have to hire someone. We can't just keep betting him to come back until he dies.

[Dawgface]

I don't think Lebby is shopping himself every November before the egg bowl

That’s because he doesn’t have a resume anyone would be interested in.

[Tater]

I don't think Lebby is shopping himself every November before the egg bowl

There was Okie Lite HC smoke earlier this year. He just cratered going 1-7 down the stretch with 4 non-competitive games

[Todd4State]

Mark Stoops getting boat raced. If he wants a DC job here I think he would be perfect.

[KB21]

I don't think Lebby is shopping himself every November before the egg bowl

Lebby isn?t going to go into a shell and get ultra conservative with a 3 point lead with 10 minutes to go like Dan has done consistently.

[Quaoarsking]

That's even more reason to NOT hire another coach that would split the fan base even further.

It wouldn't split the fanbase even further. Moving from a coach with low (but not 0%) approval to one who would have high (but not 100%) approval is repairing the split, not taking it further.

Ok so again even more reason to hire someone better than both of them.

You're basically saying that we should hire a turd that is shiny because it's shiny. But the truth is it's a turd. And then what does MSU do when Dan leaves? We have to hire someone. We can't just keep betting him to come back until he dies.

I just don't think Dan is a "turd" at all, nor that the vast majority of our fans think he is.

I don't think Lebby is shopping himself every November before the egg bowl

That's because nobody wants him. If Lebby had been a good in-game coach and we were 8-4 right now, of course he'd be talking to other schools. And I wouldn't be offended by it if it he did.

[Todd4State]

That’s because he doesn’t have a resume anyone would be interested in.

Lebby has as many top 25 wins as Dan did at the same points in their career.

[Quaoarsking]

Lebby isn?t going to go into a shell and get ultra conservative with a 3 point lead with 10 minutes to go like Dan has done consistently.

And that's why we're not bowling, because Lebby wouldn't do that against Texas.

Another great pro-Mullen, anti-Lebby argument that you're making.

[Quaoarsking]

Lebby has as many top 25 wins as Dan did at the same points in their career.

And 1 more blowout by MAC team, and 1 more loss to a 3-9 team. And 2 more last place FPI finishes in the SEC.