Black Friday Can Be Lebby's 09 Egg Bowl Moment

[StarkVegasSteve]

Wasn't absolving the kid of blame, but have to add the context that he has taken a beating behind some poor OL play.

He has. No doubt at all. I'm not saying one way or the other. Blake has done some good things for us and he's done some bad things for us. I just think at this point, we need to see what we have in Taylor. Because the offseason, win or not, starts November 28th at about 3 PM. We have to see what we have and look, OM has had trouble with mobile QBs this year. Kamario is that.

[TrapGame]

He has. No doubt at all. I'm not saying one way or the other. Blake has done some good things for us and he's done some bad things for us. I just think at this point, we need to see what we have in Taylor. Because the offseason, win or not, starts November 28th at about 3 PM. We have to see what we have and look, OM has had trouble with mobile QBs this year. Kamario is that.

And I really want to see how far Kamario matures from now until next season. Seeing how he has grown and matured in just three months makes me wonder how good he will be with a spring practice, summer workouts and a fall camp.

[DownwardDawg]

Kid also has played behind two of the single worst offensive lines in the history of MSU.

Absolute fact.

[Tbonewannabe]

Wasn't absolving the kid of blame, but have to add the context that he has taken a beating behind some poor OL play.

It says something that Kevin Fant played for 4 years but Shapen has the record. No one is worse than Richard Burch at LT. Dude got the DE from Auburn drafted on one game. I think he had 4 or 5 sacks.

[StarkVegasSteve]

And I really want to see how far Kamario matures from now until next season. Seeing how he has grown and matured in just three months makes me wonder how good he will be with a spring practice, summer workouts and a fall camp.

Well I want to see what he's going to do when he's given the reigns. Because if he struggles then we need to seriously consider looking at a transfer QB. We're going to need one regardless because Kromenhoek will out of all likelihood transfer. So we need to know whether we need a high level backup or we need a bonafide P4 starter.

And btw, I am not talking misses a couple of passes as struggles. I am talking like he consistently makes the wrong reads, with layering the ball, etc. Problems that cannot be worked out overnight or with more practice.

[Maroon Glasses]

And that's a definite issue. Because when he has time he tends to look for that HR. And sometimes he hit, but sometimes you have to be Checkdown Charlie and get the 7 yds to stay in front of the chains. I think he does that ok when he's pressured, but oddly enough struggles with it when he has time.

I think the reason he struggles when he does have time is due to how bad the O Line is. He has been hit all year. So he probably never expects time and when it's there its just added pressure on Shapen because he knows a hit is coming. I don't know if that makes sense how I worded it but that's how I would feel if I'm in Shapens shoes.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I think the reason he struggles when he does have time is due to how bad the O Line is. He has been hit all year. So he probably never expects time and when it's there its just added pressure on Shapen because he knows a hit is coming. I don't know if that makes sense how I worded it but that's how I would feel if I'm in Shapens shoes.

You're saying he's seeing ghosts and feeling pressure when it's not there. That makes complete sense and I think that is definitely part of the issue.

[Maroon Glasses]

You're saying he's seeing ghosts and feeling pressure when it's not there. That makes complete sense and I think that is definitely part of the issue.

Yes sir.. thank you for putting it into a better perspective. 100% agree with you on why KT should play. I'm sure the price difference between a sure enough starter and strong backup is pretty significant. But might be closer than I think.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Yes sir.. thank you for putting it into a better perspective. 100% agree with you on why KT should play. I'm sure the price difference between a sure enough starter and strong backup is pretty significant. But might be closer than I think.

A really good backup could be gotten for 600-700K. OM got Chambliss on a bit of a discount because he was FCS.

A P4 starter is probably going to start at 1.5 this year. You could get two HIGH LEVEL OLs for that price so we really need Kamario to be the real deal.

[TrapGame]

A really good backup could be gotten for 600-700K. OM got Chambliss on a bit of a discount because he was FCS.

A P4 starter is probably going to start at 1.5 this year. You could get two HIGH LEVEL OLs for that price so we really need Kamario to be the real deal.

Kentucky got Calzada for 1.5 and benched him. Of course I would not have gone after Calzada in the first place.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Kentucky got Calzada for 1.5 and benched him. Of course I would not have gone after Calzada in the first place.

Arnold costs Auburn 2.5 and they benched him.

[TrapGame]

Arnold costs Auburn 2.5 and they benched him.

Ouch. I forgot about that.

Think we can get a discount on Arnold as a backup?****

[Maroon Glasses]

Kentucky got Calzada for 1.5 and benched him. Of course I would not have gone after Calzada in the first place.

That's the sh!tty thing about NIL right now. 1.5 mill to get benched and then he flexed his money on social media with videos. I don't know the fine print of it all but hopefully they can come up with a solution for players like this. And I wanna add that if it's just a bad eval then that should just eat the loss. But if it's a discipline issue or a player just says screw it, the university should be able to get that money back. I'm assuming Calzada got benched due to poor playing but it aggravates me that he basically doesn't care and did all that on social media.

[R2Dawg]

Kid also has played behind two of the single worst offensive lines in the history of MSU.

Kevin Fant might have an argument with you.

[Maroon Glasses]

Arnold costs Auburn 2.5 and they benched him.

We dodged a bullet on that one.. I don't think anyone seen that coming.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Ouch. I forgot about that.

Think we can get a discount on Arnold as a backup?****

I'm not trying to start anything but I would not be least bit shocked if he was brought in. Personally I think he's going to UNT. I think Mestemaker ends up at Texas Tech and Arnold takes over for him there. I mean it's 7 miles Denton-Guyer to DATCU Stadium.

[Tbonewannabe]

Kevin Fant might have an argument with you.

Yeah talking about feeling ghosts. Towards the end, he would go down as soon as any Dline got pressure and I didn't blame him as much as he got hit.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Yeah talking about feeling ghosts. Towards the end, he would go down as soon as any Dline got pressure and I didn't blame him as much as he got hit.

In his defense, he knew what was coming. And it was kidney shot from his blind side.

[EdwardDrayton]

Om has no leverage. Lane can just say he's going to wait until after the season for a decision. What is OM going to do? Fire him and pay a 50 million buyout? Lane has all the leverage.

It's hard to imagine LSU or Florida would allow him that long to decide.

[parabrave]

go listen to Borkys Sports Talk Miss OM section and it sounds like there is about to be an implosion over there/