Mizzou game

[Quaoarsking]

1. We gave Croom five years. You're giving Lebby TWO.
2. We had plenty of scandals we could point to with Moorhead. Tutorgate, Shrader/Gay fight. Coaches understand if you fire someone because of that. Not for doubling the teams win total. If Lebby has a scandal then that changes things too.
3. We gave Lemonis four seasons after he won a NC. We wouldn't have gotten anyone if we fired him before that. So, again see point one.

Mullen, Leach, and O'Connor did care about any of those things. They wanted to be head coaches in the SEC and make bigger salaries, and have the support of the fanbase and administration, and we made it happen. We can do it again.

[Todd4State]

I had this same mindset before tonight. Tonight really, really showed he isn't cut out to be a HC. Tonight was an embarrassment to the fans and the University. And then I think about our other losses this season. Coaching has killed us. It would be different if Lebby was progressing but I see him regressing instead.

It's not just coaching though. Our offensive line is garbage. Our defensive line is garbage. Those things being deficient make it harder to coach.

It reminds me of when Cohen was our baseball coach in 2009-2010 and we literally had no pitching and the talent was bad and he would make some decisions that almost never seemed to work. Well, they worked when he got better players.

So, this offseason we have to improve our talent first and foremost. We aren't on a level playing field yet but we're getting there.

[Todd4State]

Mullen, Leach, and O'Connor did care about any of those things. They wanted to be head coaches in the SEC and make bigger salaries, and have the support of the fanbase and administration, and we made it happen. We can do it again.

Yeah because we handled those situations well. That's a big part of it too. We don't get O'Connor if we fire Lemonis after 2023. We got him after 2025. Croom had four losing seasons in five years. If you're Dan Mullen, there is no red flag with that. Probably would have been one after 2005 though. Leach knew about the scandals under Joe. So again, not a red flag.

We mishandled the coaching search after Leach and what happened?

[Quaoarsking]

It reminds me of when Cohen was our baseball coach in 2009-2010 and we literally had no pitching and the talent was bad and he would make some decisions that almost never seemed to work. Well, they worked when he got better players.

Cohen had been a head coach for 9 seasons before, with 3 conference titles and 5 winning conference records. We had reason to believe that he was better than what he was showing in 2009-2010. Had he been a first time head coach, he probably would have been uncontroversially fired after 2010.

Similarly, if Lebby had 9 years of mostly successful head coaching, including 5 in the SEC, I would be a lot more comfortable giving him time. More importantly, Cohen didn't have NIL and the immediate transfer portal so we had no choice but to be more patient with him.

[Quaoarsking]

We don't get O'Connor if we fire Lemonis after 2023. We got him after 2025

It's impossible to say. We probably weren't going to get him in 2025 either until we just wowed him, and maybe we could have done that same thing in 2023.

Croom had four losing seasons in five years. If you're Dan Mullen, there is no red flag with that. Probably would have been one after 2005 though.

100% chance that if we fire Croom in 2005 and offer Mullen the job, he takes it. Obviously it would have seemed questionable from our end pre-Tebow, but Mullen would always have taken an SEC head coaching job at that point of his career.

Leach knew about the scandals under Joe. So again, not a red flag.

Leach wasn't thinking about Moorhead at all. He had always wanted to be an SEC head coach and finally got an offer and took it. He still would have taken it if Moorhead had no disciplinary issues and was only fired because 14-12 wasn't good enough.

Anybody who makes it to the level of being an SEC coach is going to be an egomaniac who thinks he alone can win when others failed. And if that's not enough, the SEC salary would reel someone in. I know that we aren't firing Lebby this year, but I'm certain that if we did, we would find a successful G5/FCS head coach who would take our job and at the very least not make the game-after-game stupid coaching blunders that Lebby does.

[Maroon Glasses]

It's not just coaching though. Our offensive line is garbage. Our defensive line is garbage. Those things being deficient make it harder to coach.

It reminds me of when Cohen was our baseball coach in 2009-2010 and we literally had no pitching and the talent was bad and he would make some decisions that almost never seemed to work. Well, they worked when he got better players.

So, this offseason we have to improve our talent first and foremost. We aren't on a level playing field yet but we're getting there.

Agree with you 100% on the O and D line problems. And we have to improve our talent. But man tonight just blew my mind on play calling and personel. Especially when we had almost 10 plays starting at our 2. Hopefully I can sleep it off tonight and feel better about Lebby tomorrow cause I believed he would be the guy and still want him to be. Tonight was just baddddd.

[msstate7]

And hoops is nowhere to be seen tonight. He calls me and Q dumb for not seeing the "improvement"

[StarkVegasSteve]

Agree with you 100% on the O and D line problems. And we have to improve our talent. But man tonight just blew my mind on play calling and personel. Especially when we had almost 10 plays starting at our 2. Hopefully I can sleep it off tonight and feel better about Lebby tomorrow cause I believed he would be the guy and still want him to be. Tonight was just baddddd.

1000%. Tonight was really bad. Our play calling tonight was questionable even to the most ardent sunshine pumping State fans. And it is ok to be pissed, but it is just one game. And it was inconsequential in the grand scheme. We are only going for win number 6. And we have one more shot to get it.

[msstate7]

1000%. Tonight was really bad. Our play calling tonight was questionable even to the most ardent sunshine pumping State fans. And it is ok to be pissed, but it is just one game. And it was inconsequential in the grand scheme. We are only going for win number 6. And we have one more shot to get it.

OMG, lacy is probably the best rb we will have saw this season. He's gonna destroy us

[StarkVegasSteve]

OMG, lacy is probably the best rb we will have saw this season. He's gonna destroy us

That is why they play the game.

[Quaoarsking]

1000%. Tonight was really bad. Our play calling tonight was questionable even to the most ardent sunshine pumping State fans. And it is ok to be pissed, but it is just one game. And it was inconsequential in the grand scheme. We are only going for win number 6. And we have one more shot to get it.

It's not just 1 game. It's 23 games and counting. Even the Lebby supporters admit that he needs to "learn on the job," and I say that he should go be a G5 head coach while he does that.

[msstate7]

That is why they play the game.

What you wanna bet?

[StarkVegasSteve]

What you wanna bet?

I will bet you a beer at the basketball game. What is the bet? Cover? Over/Under? Straight Up?

[Maroon Glasses]

1000%. Tonight was really bad. Our play calling tonight was questionable even to the most ardent sunshine pumping State fans. And it is ok to be pissed, but it is just one game. And it was inconsequential in the grand scheme. We are only going for win number 6. And we have one more shot to get it.

I just don't see it happening. It can.. but tonight the team quit. And what's even worse.. Lebby quit on the team. The season has officially took its toll. Understandable.

[StarkVegasSteve]

It's not just 1 game. It's 23 games and counting. Even the Lebby supporters admit that he needs to "learn on the job," and I say that he should go be a G5 head coach while he does that.

Then stroke the check to fire him.

[Quaoarsking]

Then stroke the check to fire him.

"You can't have an opinion unless you are rich enough to personally afford to change things yourself" is a bullѕhit and un-American attitude.

[msstate7]

"You can't have an opinion unless you are rich enough to personally afford to change things yourself" is a bullѕhit and un-American attitude.

He's basically just saying what he reads C34 saying now

[StarkVegasSteve]

I just don't see it happening. It can.. but tonight the team quit. And what's even worse.. Lebby quit on the team. The season has officially took its toll. Understandable.

I mean I watched Arkansas gain 649 yds on us, never punt, and hang damn near 60 on us. We beat OM 55-20 7 days later. It could go really bad on Black Friday, I am fully aware of that possibility, but I think we will be able to regroup and put together a solid game plan for OM. Their D is leaky on the backend. Our D will have to step up like they did last year, but it is not some impossible task.

[StarkVegasSteve]

"You can't have an opinion unless you are rich enough to personally afford to change things yourself" is a bullѕhit and un-American attitude.

You can have an opinion. But when your opinion is constantly, “fire his ass”, then yea my statement, opinion if you will, is going to be stroke the check. Or gain favor with someone who can stroke that check.

[msstate7]

I will bet you a beer at the basketball game. What is the bet? Cover? Over/Under? Straight Up?

ATS. And I like that bet.