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Originally Posted by
CoachT14
Is a TD a TD or not?
We could have just as easy put Fluff back there to catch the snap and run it in. Let's also not forget he turned a TD into a FG at A&M also
Walk like the King or walk like you don't care who the King is
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Originally Posted by
CoachT14
Is a TD a TD or not?
Boy, one lineman moved, not all, not the center. Is every false start on the qb?
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Glad to see State fans have our new warring factions.
We now have Kamario vs Shapen, who btw are legitimately very close and good friends.
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I cant remember a MSU football player with more undeserved hate than Shapen.
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Originally Posted by
HoopsDawg
I cant remember a MSU football player with more undeserved hate than Shapen.
Nick Fitzgerald would like a word
Will Rogers would like a word
Tyler Russell would like a word
Kevin Fant would like a word
Wayne Madkin would like a word.
Mississippi State fans love to hate the starter and think the backup is a combination of Joe Montana and Tom Brady. Is what it is.
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Originally Posted by
HoopsDawg
I cant remember a MSU football player with more undeserved hate than Shapen.
I can't speak for everyone, but I don't hate em. I just feel like getting KT as many snaps as possible is more beneficial for next season.
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Originally Posted by
CoachT14
Shapen: 8 TDs in SEC play to 10 turnovers in 400 snaps.
KT: 7 TDs in SEC play to 0 turnovers in 58 snaps.
I'm not getting in this pissing contest. But those are so skewed it's not funny. How many of kt's td's are after shapen drive them down the field and he came in the game inside the ten??
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Originally Posted by
StarkVegasSteve
Nick Fitzgerald would like a word
Will Rogers would like a word
Tyler Russell would like a word
Kevin Fant would like a word
Wayne Madkin would like a word.
Mississippi State fans love to hate the starter and think the backup is a combination of Joe Montana and Tom Brady. Is what it is.
Well in this case, KT is immensely more talented. Even his play (granted, SSS) is way better than Shapen in QBR and passer rating.
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Originally Posted by
Homedawg
I'm not getting in this pissing contest. But those are so skewed it's not funny. How many of kt's td's are after shapen drive them down the field and he came in the game inside the ten??
3/7
ETA... seems crazy to discount totally the one to get those final yards.
Last edited by msstate7; 11-13-2025 at 12:42 PM.
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Originally Posted by
CoachT14
Is a TD a TD or not?
Of course. But that's skewed data. That's not how life works. If I drive my BassCat to a great spot, sling out the top water, make it dance like majic, hook a 6lb bass, then hand the rod to my 10 year old granddaughter, isn't that a catch for her??
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Originally Posted by
HoopsDawg
I cant remember a MSU football player with more undeserved hate than Shapen.
No doubt !!!
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Originally Posted by
MaroonFlounder
O-Line ain't gonna cut it with Shapen in there.
This feels like a loss.
It's been a loss since it was on the schedule. We aren't winning against Missouri on the road.
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Originally Posted by
CoachT14
I love how you ignore all the statistical evidence that shows your boy is an awful QB and can only cherry pick 1 phantom sack that didn't happen and completion percentage on 19 throws despite everyone telling you that anyone who's seen KT play know he's not inaccurate in the least.
There's no question he had accuracy problems the last two games. Even lebby implied as much.
That will get better with reps though.
And I think he brings so much else to the table that he needs to play much more.
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Originally Posted by
confucius say
There's no question he had accuracy problems the last two games. Even lebby implied as much.
That will get better with reps though.
And I think he brings so much else to the table that he needs to play much more.
Agree. He definitely needs to play a lot more than he has been. And then even more against ole miss. He will be a stud next year with the experience.
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Originally Posted by
msstate7
Well in this case, KT is immensely more talented. Even his play (granted, SSS) is way better than Shapen in QBR and passer rating.
I think I've heard that statement made about every QB2 who was behind the QB1s on that list from StarkvegasSteve
Keytaon was the most talented QB we've ever signed, but behind Nick
Robertson was the most talented QB we've ever signed, but behind Will
Dak was lightyears ahead of Russell (who at the time was statistically the best QB in our history).
York was the most talented QB we've ever signed, but behind Fant.
Fant was the most talented QB we've ever signed, but behind Madkin.
Madkin was the most talented QB we've ever signed, but behind Wyatt
Rodney Hudson was the the most talented QB we've ever signed, but behind Sleepy and Greg Plump.
"After dealing with Ole Miss for over a year," he said, "I've learned to expect their leadership to do and say things that the leadership at other Division I schools would never consider doing and to justify their actions by reminding themselves that "We're Ole Miss.""
- Tom Mars, Esq. 4.9.18
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Originally Posted by
BrunswickDawg
I think I've heard that statement made about every QB2 who was behind the QB1s on that list from StarkvegasSteve
Keytaon was the most talented QB we've ever signed, but behind Nick
Robertson was the most talented QB we've ever signed, but behind Will
Dak was lightyears ahead of Russell (who at the time was statistically the best QB in our history).
York was the most talented QB we've ever signed, but behind Fant.
Fant was the most talented QB we've ever signed, but behind Madkin.
Madkin was the most talented QB we've ever signed, but behind Wyatt
Rodney Hudson was the the most talented QB we've ever signed, but behind Sleepy and Greg Plump.
How many of those in their action as a true freshman led the county in qbr? KT has started 7 drives in the last 2 sec games. Here's the results of those drives: 4 tds, 2 punts, 1 downs after driving 36 yards. That's quite impressive
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Originally Posted by
msstate7
How many of those in their action as a true freshman led the county in qbr? KT has started 7 drives in the last 2 sec games. Here's the results of those drives: 4 tds, 2 punts, 1 downs after driving 36 yards. That's quite impressive
Where are you getting this lead the country in QBR stuff?
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Originally Posted by
msstate7
How many of those in their action as a true freshman led the county in qbr? KT has started 7 drives in the last 2 sec games. Here's the results of those drives: 4 tds, 2 punts, 1 downs after driving 36 yards. That's quite impressive
He doesn't lead the country in QBR because he doesn't have enough stats to qualify. They make those exclusions because the stats can be so skewed when you are only playing 5 snaps most games
From ESPN: Season Leaders: To qualify, a player must play a minimum of 20 action plays per team game
"After dealing with Ole Miss for over a year," he said, "I've learned to expect their leadership to do and say things that the leadership at other Division I schools would never consider doing and to justify their actions by reminding themselves that "We're Ole Miss.""
- Tom Mars, Esq. 4.9.18
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Originally Posted by
DEDawg
Where are you getting this lead the country in QBR stuff?
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Originally Posted by
BrunswickDawg
He doesn't lead the country in QBR because he doesn't have enough stats to qualify. They make those exclusions because the stats can be so skewed when you are only playing 5 snaps most games
From ESPN: Season Leaders: To qualify, a player must play a minimum of 20 action plays per team game
And I've said over-and-over that he doesn't qualify. He doesn't decide his playing time, but he has been excellent when he does. I see you totally gloss over a td rate of 57.1% per drive in sec play.
Last edited by msstate7; 11-13-2025 at 02:54 PM.
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