Sunday Morning QB With SVS-Jimmys and Joes Still Matter More Than Xs and Os

[Todd4State]

I damn sure hope so!

We're a work in progress as a program. Years of caveman football and being told that we had to overspend on running backs and that a coach can outscheme people like Alabama and Georgia will do that.

[tcdog70]

You're starting to sound like a hater. I doubt seriously he's faster. Reed has progressed as he should. However, KT is just as accurate and run the same offense right now.

KT went to several top rated passing camps this summer, he won every award they had. He was rated #1 passer in every camp.he can pass just fine,he just needs to play. When all is said and done He will be twice the QB Reed is.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I would think Bulldog 28 probably knows what He is talking about. Quit being so negative on every post about KT and you won?t sound like a hater. Hell, Stevie Wondef can see Shapen is a loser.He makes our OL look worse than they are. What is it Shapen does that you think is so great?

Well he can throw the ball a lot more accurately than Kamario, he has yet to hit someone in the Gridiron Club with the football(or Lebby with the football on a swing pass), and he can run the offense to the fullest. Kamario can not. Also, Stevie Wondef can see fine, Stevie Wonder is the blind one.

Some of y?all really need to stop getting so butthurt when people criticize Kamario. It is ok to say he has things he can work on. If he did not he would be starting. Pointing out flaws, while also highlighting what he does well, is not hating. Hating would be saying he is a no talent hack who is nothing more than a strong arm and a big body.

[StarkVegasSteve]

KT went to several top rated passing camps this summer, he won every award they had. He was rated #1 passer in every camp.he can pass just fine,he just needs to play. When all is said and done He will be twice the QB Reed is.

But hold on, I was told he already is that? Now you are saying he is not and, gasp, agreeing with me that he may be one day but is not currently.

[tcdog70]

But hold on, I was told he already is that? Now you are saying he is not and, gasp, agreeing with me that he may be one day but is not currently.

Dude, are you 12? So you saying KT bad swing pass was worse than the Shapen Interception in the FL game. On the next play KT ran for 24 yards and later scored on that drive. And for the record there ain’t much you post that I agree with. Just saying.

[bulldawg28]

I am not a hater. I think the kid is going to be great for us. But I see these expectations people are placing on him and I know they are not realistic. Also, Reed is faster. Reed was clocked at around 21 mph in full pads on a run this year. That is ROLLING. Reed is also in Year 2 of the Colin Klein system. Kamario has not had a full year in this system. They are not comparable. A more apt comparison would be Joe Milton in his first and second years in this same offense. Both physically imposing guys who have massive arm talent with accuracy issues from a consistency standpoint.

KT has been clocked at a 4.4, that's in the 21mph range as well. It's also obvious when he takes off he has a gear not common for a Qb. Alsi, Reed being in his 2nd year means nothing. We see Shapen whose been in his 6th year of college football and STILL makes freshman mistakes every weekend. Also, why do you harp on his expectations and try to down them? Comparisons is apart of sports banter. Being compared to Cam Newton is a compliment that should be embraced not shunned. KT has obviously been a baller since probably 5 years old. Let him have BIG expectations and go for them. If you're already comparing his true freshman play to a former 5th year senior that's now a 2nd string NFL Qb that's pretty good and not the insult you're opting it to be.

[basedog]

No doubt KT has ability, I’m looking forward to his progress in the near future. The more snaps he gets will improve his decision making. Very powerful running ability.

[R2Dawg]

Yesterday went how you expect games with talent gaps to go. UGA did whatever they wanted with the ball on offense and, sans the first drive, did whatever they wanted to on defense. Injuries are really starting to mount for us and that could be a concern moving forward.

1. I thought Shapen played ok. The first drive was a thing of beauty. We were perfectly tempo?d and even with the sack he makes a great dump off to West that got us back in front of the sticks. I thought the 2nd and 3rd drives were the killers for us. We get a false start the first play of the second drive and then get a BS chop block penalty. On the 3rd drive after the fumble, Evans is held on a double move that is a 95 yd TD. On that same drive Shapen takes a costly sack looking for Thompson, who came open at the end. He then fumbles on a scramble 2 plays later. Shapen had no time but did not do himself any favors either. The hit backside, which is not his fault but some will say it is, looked like it dislocated his shoulder.

2. If you are going to make the switch, you do it this week. Kamario was ok yesterday. His youth showed as much as his athleticism did. But if your line is going to suck, like ours does, you need someone back there that is more run threat than pass threat anyways. He is that. He made a good pass to Thompson, and actually underthrew him a bit, and made a good pass in the intermediate to Thompson as well. He also was closer to my buddy in the Gridiron Club than Anthony Evans when it was 17-7 and Evans had a step for a TD, damn near hit Lebby trying to throw a swing to Ayden, and threw an off target deep ball into double coverage. He is a freshman though. That will happen. Right now, he reminds me of Joe Milton. And you can win the last two with Joe Milton. You can also lose them. I thought for the most part the coaches kept it simple one read stuff with him. You are going to have to open it up more the next two weeks if you make the move.

3. I personally hold Shapen out this week and go to Kamario. If he struggles you go back to Shapen and if he thrives you give Golding and Co. a ton to think about.

4. We need to go back to Booth being the feature back. Fluff is not healthy and he is a between the tackles back. With how our line is, we do not need a between the tackles back. That was a bad drop on the 4th down by Bothwell. We can get into was it a good idea to call it or not another time but it was a bad drop.

5. I thought their pressure kept our WRs from really getting into the flow. Credit to them on that. I am becoming more and more impressed with Sam West as the weeks go on. I think he has a chance to be a big part of the offense next year.

6. Our O Line is crap. Unfortunately the die was cast on that well before Phil Loadholt. Bad evals by Leach, Arnett, and even Lebby have us in this situation. Add in injuries and you have the line we have. Young, out of position, and just not very cohesive.

7. DL looked like the DL of 2024 yesterday. No pressure and no push. We have to get better there in the portal. I know Lebby hates changing up the staff, but it is time for David Turner to go.

8. The LB group and DB group can kind of be lumped together. Kelley Jones is really talented and Brumfield can play at this level. The rest are depth guys in the DB room. Our LB room is just young. Jalen Smith and Lockhart are going to be really good but are not there. The injury to Isaac is a major concern. No way around that. Thought Tony played well in his absence though.

9. We desperately need a win. The national media continually talks about how much we have improved but our own fan base is out because we lost to the number 5 team in the country. Thankfully the people who actually make a difference in NIL donations do not think like the $5 fans who want to tell Lebby the play call with their $60 a year contribution.

10. We also need a win because if we lose next week, Ole Miss is probably going to make DWS Vaught Hemingway East on Black Friday. And that goes back to buy in. The University has given this fanbase everything they have wanted. They wanted to go away from the Block M and go to the script? They got it. They wanted an improved team? They got it. They wanted LED lights? They got it. They wanted to go away from the script and to the interlocking? They got it. At some point, our fans have to do their part. THEY HAVE TO SHOW UP. You can miss your plate of Thanksgiving leftovers and get your ass to DWS on Black Friday. You can even drive back after the game so complaining about hotels cannot be an argument. Of course I am sure the argument now is that the tickets are too expensive and they do not want to sit in the upper deck. Somehow OM fans find a way. We need to start finding the same way.


HailState

Dead wrong on #10. The fans and students have showed up and showed out all year. You can't put anything on the fans.

Yes UGA has more talent but on paper so did every team we played this year. We have top 25 talent. UGA outcoached us as we fell for every mis-direction play they ran. UGA played well and we didn't.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Dead wrong on #10. The fans and students have showed up and showed out all year. You can't put anything on the fans.

Yes UGA has more talent but on paper so did every team we played this year. We have top 25 talent. UGA outcoached us as we fell for every mis-direction play they ran. UGA played well and we didn't.

Students have absolutely shown up.

[Coach34]

Reed is in his 2nd year as an SEC QB also- huge difference

Reed has already thrown for 4K in his college career with 35 passing TD's. KT is talented- so is Reed. Saying KT is better than Reed at this point is straight homerism

[PGHBulldogBG]

Dead wrong on #10. The fans and students have showed up and showed out all year. You can't put anything on the fans.

Yes UGA has more talent but on paper so did every team we played this year. We have top 25 talent. UGA outcoached us as we fell for every mis-direction play they ran. UGA played well and we didn't.

LOL have you even watched the games? Our stadium is a home game outside the student section for the other SEC teams.

[Todd4State]

Dude, are you 12? So you saying KT bad swing pass was worse than the Shapen Interception in the FL game. On the next play KT ran for 24 yards and later scored on that drive. And for the record there ain’t much you post that I agree with. Just saying.

It's not as bad but it's not good either.

[Todd4State]

Reed is in his 2nd year as an SEC QB also- huge difference

Reed has already thrown for 4K in his college career with 35 passing TD's. KT is talented- so is Reed. Saying KT is better than Reed at this point is straight homerism

Exactly! We have too many fans that equate high school performance and Elite 11 camp performance to SEC football. And it's not even close to the same. KT is doing well for a freshman and I'm really encouraged by his progress but he still needs development.

[Todd4State]

KT has been clocked at a 4.4, that's in the 21mph range as well. It's also obvious when he takes off he has a gear not common for a Qb. Alsi, Reed being in his 2nd year means nothing. We see Shapen whose been in his 6th year of college football and STILL makes freshman mistakes every weekend. Also, why do you harp on his expectations and try to down them? Comparisons is apart of sports banter. Being compared to Cam Newton is a compliment that should be embraced not shunned. KT has obviously been a baller since probably 5 years old. Let him have BIG expectations and go for them. If you're already comparing his true freshman play to a former 5th year senior that's now a 2nd string NFL Qb that's pretty good and not the insult you're opting it to be.

There is a difference between having BIG and realistic expectations.

BIG expectations is expecting him to be Dak/Cam level by year three. The key here is that is also realistic because he will have a year starting under his belt, hopefully we will have more talent, and our schedule while difficult at least won't be complete bullshit like ours is this year.

Saying he is Cam Newton right now isn't realistic.

Our reality is right now we can either go with a QB who can pass and has thrown the game winning TD pass late in the game in our two best wins this year and runs the offense but is also really streaky or we can go with a QB who can make plays with his legs but is still limited as a passer and therefore limits what we can do as an offense. It is what it is. And the result is zero sum gain. The best thing to do is start Shapen and when he gets out of synch or hurt then put KT in. If nothing else it gives the opponents two QB's to gameplan for at least and then we can get the best out of both of them.

[Todd4State]

KT went to several top rated passing camps this summer, he won every award they had. He was rated #1 passer in every camp.he can pass just fine,he just needs to play. When all is said and done He will be twice the QB Reed is.

KT didn't win Elite 11. He did well. But he didn't win every award they had.

Pretty sure he wasn't number one at the Manning Passing Academy either but there's also no way in hell they are ever going to let a MSU commit win that ever.

[justwin]

kamrio is nothing like Joe Milton. nothing. Kamario has connected on multiple long td throws this year and milton runs worse than shapen. Milton would start entire games and not hit one long throw. Kamario throws a much better deep ball than shapen as well. kind of a terrible comparison to milton.

kamario is much closer to marcel reed than anyone else. in fact, TXAM just gave us the blue print to beat Mizzou and we have comparable offensive personnel.

we had 10 drives again yesterday. Kamario had the last 4 and scored two tds against the future national champion. shapen was wholly ineffective for 6 of those drives, again.

[justwin]

There is a difference between having BIG and realistic expectations.

BIG expectations is expecting him to be Dak/Cam level by year three. The key here is that is also realistic because he will have a year starting under his belt, hopefully we will have more talent, and our schedule while difficult at least won't be complete bullshit like ours is this year.

Saying he is Cam Newton right now isn't realistic.

Our reality is right now we can either go with a QB who can pass and has thrown the game winning TD pass late in the game in our two best wins this year and runs the offense but is also really streaky or we can go with a QB who can make plays with his legs but is still limited as a passer and therefore limits what we can do as an offense. It is what it is. And the result is zero sum gain. The best thing to do is start Shapen and when he gets out of synch or hurt then put KT in. If nothing else it gives the opponents two QB's to gameplan for at least and then we can get the best out of both of them.

shapen is very limited and that's not streaky. he's short and cant see over the middle and is 50/50 at best on deep balls and the completed deep balls are mostly due to the WR adjusting. shapen should not play any more. you wasted six drives last week with shapen. wasted at least 5 each of the last few weeks with him as well. KT can run the entire playbook and gets better with each rep. if a 5 yr senior with 3+ years or starter reps is still "streaky" it's time to change permanently.

[bulldawg28]

Reed is in his 2nd year as an SEC QB also- huge difference

Reed has already thrown for 4K in his college career with 35 passing TD's. KT is talented- so is Reed. Saying KT is better than Reed at this point is straight homerism

Reed was absolutely trash until 5 weeks ago. They relied on the running game which 90% of his TDs are. KT is already 100% better at him at passing. Next time if you're talking about me QUOTE me coffee man.

[bulldawg28]

There is a difference between having BIG and realistic expectations.

BIG expectations is expecting him to be Dak/Cam level by year three. The key here is that is also realistic because he will have a year starting under his belt, hopefully we will have more talent, and our schedule while difficult at least won't be complete bullshit like ours is this year.

Saying he is Cam Newton right now isn't realistic.

Our reality is right now we can either go with a QB who can pass and has thrown the game winning TD pass late in the game in our two best wins this year and runs the offense but is also really streaky or we can go with a QB who can make plays with his legs but is still limited as a passer and therefore limits what we can do as an offense. It is what it is. And the result is zero sum gain. The best thing to do is start Shapen and when he gets out of synch or hurt then put KT in. If nothing else it gives the opponents two QB's to gameplan for at least and then we can get the best out of both of them.

The best thing at this point is no longer to start Shapen. You're guaranteed to lose both games with him. Ole Miss & Mizzou have decent pass rushing teams. That's Shapen 's biggest flaw. He folds like a lawn chair. KT steps up in the pocket and either takes offs or throws the ball. Shapen gets sacked by wide DE's because he's too afraid to step up in the pocket and play big boy Qb.

[Pancho]

mizzou front 7 looks better than the sharts to me. thoughts?