Let Lebby build

[Todd4State]

Yea. And a few tried to tell the masses that and they didn't, and still don't, understand.

He went from running an extremely simplistic offense at Noxubee Co to an SEC offense. Which, no matter what offensive system you are in, is going to be 100000x more complicated than a HS offense. Especially a MS HS offense.

He has all the physical abilities to be Cam Newton, but he has to learn and master the offense.

That TD pass on that flat route last game hopefully will help some with his confidence. It's a process for sure. I'm Ok with where he's at now. He's more comfortable when we roll him out which makes sense.

[Todd4State]

I'm really hoping he can pick up the offense this off season. It's a huge difference thats hard to comprehend for most to go from being the best high school athlete on the field to playing QB in the SEC. Especially in an RPO offense and trying to read defensive schemes.

He needs to spend the offseason with a QB guru and work on progressions. Really just needs reps more than anything in practice.

[Maroon Glasses]

Yea. And a few tried to tell the masses that and they didn't, and still don't, understand.

He went from running an extremely simplistic offense at Noxubee Co to an SEC offense. Which, no matter what offensive system you are in, is going to be 100000x more complicated than a HS offense. Especially a MS HS offense.

He has all the physical abilities to be Cam Newton, but he has to learn and master the offense.

The physical tools are off the chart from the little bit I got to watch him play in high school. I've had the privilege (along with others on this board I'm sure) to play with and watch some high rated quarterbacks. And most of them get to college and do not pan out. I'll use Ty Keyes as an example. I didn't play with him but watched him 4 years at Taylorsville. He was a legit HS QB. Cannon for an arm and could run. Long story short, he gets to college and doesn't really do much. He had all the tools but imo Mississippi schools are way behind modern offenses and it really hurts these kids when they get to college trying to learn to read defenses and schemes. The tools can be there but they are useless if you can't read whats glhapoening on the other side of the line if scrimmage.

[Maroon Glasses]

He needs to spend the offseason with a QB guru and work on progressions. Really just needs reps more than anything in practice.

We need to spend whatever it takes to make sure he progresses this off season. Hire whoever and whatever we need

[PGHBulldogBG]

Lebby has proven that he can take a disaster and get some better players in year 2 and make us competitive with a chance to win in close games. Now the question becomes can he get over the hump? Or is he our football version of Ben Howland. I say this because Howland took over a horrible situation with Rick Ray and made us competitive again in basketball but couldn?t get us over the hump to be a consistent tournament team. He lost so many close games at the very end for several years just like Lebby is doing this year. Next year is really going to be the determining factor for what Lebby can do. Lebby is the first Miss State coach that is 2 years into his tenure and I haven?t made a decision. I?ve been a State fan since the early 2000s. Croom I knew at this point wasn?t the answer, Mullen I knew right away would be good, Moorhead I knew the second he was announced would be a disaster, Leach I wasn?t sure about but by this time year 2 I was bought in. Arnett I was willing to try it until about 5 games in. Lebby is still a question mark

[Maroon Glasses]

Lebby has proven that he can take a disaster and get some better players in year 2 and make us competitive with a chance to win in close games. Now the question becomes can he get over the hump? Or is he our football version of Ben Howland. I say this because Howland took over a horrible situation with Rick Ray and made us competitive again in basketball but couldn?t get us over the hump to be a consistent tournament team. He lost so many close games at the very end for several years just like Lebby is doing this year. Next year is really going to be the determining factor for what Lebby can do. Lebby is the first Miss State coach that is 2 years into his tenure and I haven?t made a decision. I?ve been a State fan since the early 2000s. Croom I knew at this point wasn?t the answer, Mullen I knew right away would be good, Moorhead I knew the second he was announced would be a disaster, Leach I wasn?t sure about but by this time year 2 I was bought in. Arnett I was willing to try it until about 5 games in. Lebby is still a question mark

Yeah I agree. Same thoughts here except I thought when we hired Moorehead that it was a good hire. Boy was I wrong. I gotta say that Lebby has me really excited and worried at the same time. I dont know how I have this feeling but I do. Extreme highs and extreme lows lol. Atleast he does it right when he does it, no lukewarm stuff. It's either estatic or heartbreak so far in his tenure.

[Todd4State]

We need to spend whatever it takes to make sure he progresses this off season. Hire whoever and whatever we need

It's more about getting him in touch with the right QB trainer in the offseason than hiring someone on staff.

https://www.train3dqb.com/about-3dqb-elite-qb-training

[Todd4State]

Yeah I agree. Same thoughts here except I thought when we hired Moorehead that it was a good hire. Boy was I wrong. I gotta say that Lebby has me really excited and worried at the same time. I dont know how I have this feeling but I do. Extreme highs and extreme lows lol. Atleast he does it right when he does it, no lukewarm stuff. It's either estatic or heartbreak so far in his tenure.

Big difference between Moorhead and Lebby is at least we are on an upward trajectory with Lebby whereas with Moorhead we seemed to get more and more sloppy and everything seemed chaotic. We looked completely unprepared in year two under Moorhead. And that's probably only because our defense in 2018 was simply too good to fail.

To me, we don't look unprepared. I would say we were more prepared than Texas among others in fact. It looks to me like we lack depth. It seems like every injury is a major issue for us and every mistake gets magnified.

[Maroon Glasses]

Big difference between Moorhead and Lebby is at least we are on an upward trajectory with Lebby whereas with Moorhead we seemed to get more and more sloppy and everything seemed chaotic. We looked completely unprepared in year two under Moorhead. And that's probably only because our defense in 2018 was simply too good to fail.

To me, we don't look unprepared. I would say we were more prepared than Texas among others in fact. It looks to me like we lack depth. It seems like every injury is a major issue for us and every mistake gets magnified.

Agreed man. We have looked prepared every game. Now like every team, we have had our sloppy moments. It's crazy to think how good our defense was in 2018. Our offense wasn't bad as far as talent. And we had Fitz. And Moorhead couldn't win.

[tcdog70]

Special teams lost the Texas game.

[Tbonewannabe]

He thought like an OC. He has to continue adapting to think like a HC.

Exactly, I understand the mindset and everyone knows we have been bit in the ass taking our foot of the gas. There comes a time that someone should have done the math and let him know that we could almost burn the entire clock if we let up.

[Wink&aPrayer]

By no means am I a football guru. But I think Lebby is our guy. The most important thing our football program needs right now is stability. It doesnt matter how much money we throw at players, what kind of lights and music we utilize at games, or rather or not we need to play "Don't Stop Believing" at the beginning of the fourth quarter. We need foundation. And I honestly think Lebby is the guy who can build that foundation for us, and then we can throw all the money we have to build up from there. We definitely need more NIL and I wish I was the guy who could donate millions. But I don't think you can pay guys to come play somewhere when they don't know who their coach will be year in and year out. We realky haven't had any stability since 2017 and that is a program killer. I really hope Lebby is our man. Hail State!

This is not really up to the fans. The product on the field is killing fan morale

[msugolf]

Our offense isn't an issue.

Like I said the offensive philosophy will not work and is a major problem. But we will have a new coach in 2027 so time to take a break from MState football until then. Hopefully we go with someone that runs the power spread like Dan

[Bothrops]

It looks like whatever he's building is being converted to doo doo as soon as it arrives.

[War Machine Dawg]

Yeah, great suggestion. Let a loser keep losing. He'll eventually figure it out in year 12, we just have to be patient. Sick of this garbage. Winners win, losers lose.

[Maroon Glasses]

Yeah, great suggestion. Let a loser keep losing. He'll eventually figure it out in year 12, we just have to be patient. Sick of this garbage. Winners win, losers lose.

Well... he won.

[Lord McBuckethead]

I agree with OP. Lebby needs time. Wins are all that matter in this business, but you have to have the opportunity to get in and recruit and build. We have had a rocky time of it since the moment Mullen left for Florida and we incorrectly hired an OC whose only accomplishment is he coached Saquon Barkley for a season or two. We have switched head coaches too much since then.
Morehead - 2 years
Leach died after 3 years, one being Covid.
Arnette, 1 year.
Lebby year 0 and year 1.

This guy has us on the edge of being 7-1 right now against a difficult schedule. I understand our schedule is always going to be difficult. We are literally 3-5 plays away from 7-1 right now.

Lebby shouldn't even be considered for firing until after 2027 at the earliest, and it needs to be strategically done.

19 days later.... the real issue is our OL and DL. Not the coach. Although, he has made some dumbass decisions but those are probably because he knows our OL and DL are going to fail.

[Mjoelner34]

19 days later.... the real issue is our OL and DL. Not the coach. Although, he has made some dumbass decisions but those are probably because he knows our OL and DL are going to fail.

THIS is the correct answer. But, it is also on his shoulders to correct those problems through recruiting, the portal and coaching hires and so far year 2 isn't much better, if any, than year 1. I think there has to be significant improvement in year 3 to get a year 4.

[Maverick91]

19 days later.... the real issue is our OL and DL. Not the coach. Although, he has made some dumbass decisions but those are probably because he knows our OL and DL are going to fail.

I don't disagree. But for Lebby to become aware of these issues and obviously not scheme around them. That is the point that is breaking a lot of backs. And draws into questions his ability to coach.

[Cowbeller]

I don't disagree. But for Lebby to become aware of these issues and obviously not scheme around them. That is the point that is breaking a lot of backs. And draws into questions his ability to coach.

You see him scheming differently each week. Beginning of the year the complaints are he checks down too much then it’s too many HR balls. With a bad line on either side of the ball it’s very limited what you can do and the fact weve hung the amount of points we have is impressive in itself. D gets worn out eventually but impressed by them as well.