This post is extremely out of character for me, but here it is....

[msstate7]

Frank Beamer worked out pretty well

Pretty good example, but he never had a winless conference season. They were pretty bad his first 2 seasons as an independent.

[CadaverDawg]

You could easily see Croom, Moorhead, and Arnett were not going to be good coaches. Didn't matter the record.

Same goes for Lebby in the opposite way. You can tell he has potential, record be damned. Use your eyes and you know Lebby is no Croom, Moorhead or Arnett. Therefore we aren't close to getting rid of him.

In fact, we need to pack the house and beat Arch next weekend

[msstate7]

Umm, no. It doesn't work that way. If Shapen doesn't throw a pick we may win yesterday. We actually DID beat ASU

And Florida actually beat us, but that's different, i guess

[msstate7]

You could easily see Croom, Moorhead, and Arnett were not going to be good coaches. Didn't matter the record.

Same goes for Lebby in the opposite way. You can tell he has potential, record be damned. Use your eyes and you know Lebby is no Croom, Moorhead or Arnett. Therefore we aren't close to getting rid of him.

In fact, we need to pack the house and beat Arch next weekend

You're gonna be so disappointed next week bc we won't score on them. Wait, you don't hold Lebby to a standard of winning.

[CadaverDawg]

You're gonna be so disappointed next week bc we won't score on them. Wait, you don't hold Lebby to a standard of winning.

I do. I just use my eyes too.

If you can honestly say Lebby gives you the same feeling Arnett and Moorhead gave you, I'll just accept that we clearly aren't watching the same team. And agree to disagree. But don't put words in my mouth. Debate me, but don't falsify my words. Nowhere have I said wins don't matter. But don't cherry pick. Can't say wins matter and ignore the Top 12 win he had THIS SEASON.

[msstate7]

I do. I just use my eyes too.

If you can honestly say Lebby gives you the same feeling Arnett and Moorhead gave you, I'll just accept that we clearly aren't watching the same team. And agree to disagree. But don't put words in my mouth. Debate me, but don't falsify my words. Nowhere have I said wins don't matter. But don't cherry pick. Can't say wins matter and ignore the Top 12 win he had THIS SEASON.

So we judge Lebby vs arnett and Moorhead? Why not vs Jackie, Mullen, or leach?

[CadaverDawg]

You can't expect "built" results out of a program that is "building" but isn't built yet.

[CadaverDawg]

So we judge Lebby vs arnett and Moorhead? Why not vs Jackie, Mullen, or leach?

I didn't say that either. You're trying to skew my words again. We can absolutely compare him to others...but those other guys weren't having their heads called for in their 2nd season like Moorhead and Arnett

You're already Assuming he's losing the next 5 games for Goodness sake

[msstate7]

You can't expect "built" results out of a program that is "building" but isn't built yet.

I didn't say that either. You're trying to skew my words again. We can absolutely compare him to others...but those other guys weren't having their heads called for in their 2nd season like Moorhead and Arnett

Right, bc they weren't horrible

[CadaverDawg]

If you're "not calling for his head until he goes 0-16", then why are you sitting here calling for his head before he's even 0-12? Makes no sense

[msstate7]

If you're "not calling for his head until he goes 0-16", then why are you sitting here calling for his head before he's even 0-12? Makes no sense

I have no confidence in him getting it done. I really hope he does. I like him. I like his offense. He just keeps going knuckle head stuff to lose winnable games. The best thing for this program is him figuring it out. And I don't wanna hear it's shapen's fault. OM went and found a backup qb that can run lane's offense that no one wanted. We coulda found a playable #2 too, but we didn't

[Really Clark?]

Pretty good example, but he never had a winless conference season. They were pretty bad his first 2 seasons as an independent.

The closest recently in the SEC is Clark Lea who went 0-8 (2-10), 2-6 (5-7), 0-8 (2-10) his first 3 years at Vandy. I suspect his hot seat on here after those 3 years would have been enormous.

[msstate7]

The closest recently in the SEC is Clark Lea who went 0-8 (2-10), 2-6 (5-7), 0-8 (2-10) his first 3 years at Vandy. I suspect his hot seat on here after those 3 years would have been enormous.

If we win 2 sec games to get a bowl, I would want to extend Lebby

[TrapGame]

You could easily see Croom, Moorhead, and Arnett were not going to be good coaches. Didn't matter the record.

Same goes for Lebby in the opposite way. You can tell he has potential, record be damned. Use your eyes and you know Lebby is no Croom, Moorhead or Arnett. Therefore we aren't close to getting rid of him.

In fact, we need to pack the house and beat Arch next weekend

And why people can't see this is just infuriating.

Moorhead wasn't even having full practices. Cohen started sitting in when word got back to him. Joe would work on a few plays with the offensive starters and call it for the day. He's probably doing the same thing at Akron.

Arnett was doing the same thing. His practices were total cluster****s according some people I've talked to. And having a middle aged, bald man constantly whispering in your ear on the sideline was creepy as hell.

All Croom had to do was run a more modern offense but he refused. He'd rather lose by calling a run play than have his QB audible into a pass play that caught the opposing defense with their pants down scoring a touchdown. You run the play he called. You don't change it even though it won the game.

Lebby is none of these. Lebby is going to be a really good coach in the near future and people better hope it's here and not somewhere else.

[Really Clark?]

If we win 2 sec games to get a bowl, I would want to extend Lebby

Mack Brown went 1-10, 1-10 his first 2 years at UNC. Ended up with a pretty good career.

[msstate7]

Mack Brown went 1-10, 1-10 his first 2 years at UNC. Ended up with a pretty good career.

That's a good example. I know I asked for it, but now I'm questioning if it's even relevant since teams were built through recruiting then. Now it's just a free for all every offseason. Still though, brown is an excellent example of a guy turning it around big time. You could say he had a track record since he built up Tulane before being at UNC

[SPMT]

We do not need to fire Lebby. Not at all. Learning how to win is tough....teaching a team how to win is tough....especially if you've never been a head coach, and especially learning how to do it in THIS league.

Look, I'm the most emotional State fan ever, and I was once again devastated and saying I hate being a State fan when we lost, but after cooling off it's fairly easy for me to say that Lebby is a guy we can win with long term. But we just have to get over the hump.

If we run Ferrie out there and come up just short, we're all asking why we went too conservative when we needed to be closer. Did I agree with the call? No not really. But the call wasn't nearly as bad as the veteran QB's decision. I'm pissed at Shapen more than Lebby. A veteran QB can't do that. Also can't miss wide open TD's on the road, and can't be a statue some plays while iladvisedly running it on others. Our QB play is hurting us, but I don't necessarily know that Kamario is going to be better. Shapen can be sharp, but can make some awful decisions.

We can't fire another coach right now, and I think Lebby will win one this year, possibly next weekend. Not only does the team have to learn how to win, our coach does too. But winning is contagious, and I feel like once we get a SEC win we can possibly string a few together.

In the past I would have been on either the Fire Lebby train or the Free Kamario train, or both....but I'm not there yet. I think you let Shapen go out and try to redeem himself against Texas, and we keep fighting to create a winning culture. Get that monkey off our back in the SEC and then take a breath and start trying to achieve the next goal of a bowl game.

You have to admit the over haul of the lineup has been a net positive, so let's give the guy some time. It's not like we want to get in the coaching circus THIS year of all years. Talk about getting the leftovers...we'd end up hiring down.

I'm all for supporting Lebby and seeing if we can find a way to win a SEC game and then it's root for a bowl game. May not be likely, but who knows...maybe we beat Texas and then ruin the Rebs season....might as well hope, bc firing Lebby this year seems like a bad idea to me.

I'm more worried about the guys in the locker room losing hope, but if he's able to keep them fighting.....then I'm in too. Learning to win ain't easy...but it's contagious once you do. Look at Vandy. In this day and age we can't just fire a coach every two years. Can't believe I'm saying this but be patient...that's my opinion.

Good point.

Shapen blows and I have no qualms calling out players these days. Many make more than most adults and should perform accordingly.

[Percho]

Has he always been this retarded?

UMMMMMMM

[maroonmania]

And if Ferrie misses it short, you may be one of the ones complaining about why we didn't try to get closer.

I hated it too, but hindsight is 20/20, and the play call didn't have to end in an INT...that was our brilliant 24 year old veteran QB that turned a questionable play call into a game loser.

He's got plenty of leg, so don't think he would have missed a 46 yarder short but he had already missed a 41 yarder earlier in the game over the top of the upright. So nothing was sure about a 46 yarder. I just wish we had run the ball to whatever hash Ferrie likes or center it up, clock the ball, and give it a try. That would have been the smart thing to do.

[CaptainObvious]

You're defending a crap coaching job. Only Lebby loses that game today. That's the only sec coach that loses that game.

I believe even Sunbelt Billy could have won that game last night. Oh yeah. He did!