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    Dak contract...
    2026: 74M cap, 130M dead
    2027: 68M cap, 59M dead
    2028: 78M cap, 32M dead

    He will almost certainly be restructured next season, so he isn't going anywhere for a while.

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    Let's stay on point. Dallas is dog$hit this season and it's not because of Dak's perfomance or the team's lack of available monies.

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    Until Jerry dies- they arent going to win anything. He didnt have the money to pay Parsons so he traded him for picks to get younger and cheaper. They need to trade some others for more picks and cap room. Trying to continually piecemeal a roster every year like they do will keep them in the 6-11 to 10-7 range for eternity. Trade Dak and suck for a couple of years. Load back up on young talent and stop overpaying players that arent worth it
    Walk like the King or walk like you don't care who the King is

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    I too blame Jerry as GM. Other teams pay the QB a major % of the cap money and still pay for a supporting cast that can win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldendawg View Post
    I too blame Jerry as GM. Other teams pay the QB a major % of the cap money and still pay for a supporting cast that can win.
    This

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    He doesn't look any better than the rest of them
    Dak is better than Dallas. He knows it too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldendawg View Post
    I too blame Jerry as GM. Other teams pay the QB a major % of the cap money and still pay for a supporting cast that can win.
    Maybe. Last year in the playoffs, here's the cap hit for each in that season ...

    Hurts 21.8M
    Mahomes 37M
    Allen 30M
    Jackson 32M
    Daniels 6.8M
    Goff 27M
    Stroud 8M
    Darnold 5M
    Mayfield 6.9M
    Love 20.7M
    Nix 3M
    Wilson 1.2M

    For reference, Dak's is 50M this season.

    Really just the elite guys (mahomes, Jackson, and Allen) were over 30M. And that cap hit by mahomes started catching up last season in the form of no WRs. As hurts, Allen, Jackson, and goff start having big hits every season, their supporting cast will get weaker and weaker. The salary cap is a great way to level the playing field, and a big part of why the nfl is so great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldendawg View Post
    Dak like several other NFL QBs is a victim of his own financial success. He may be deferring a lot of his what, 60 million per year but along with Lamb, it is hard to win when 3 or 4 of your biggest names are getting the vast majority of the salary cap. Jerry needs a real GM. With his tight fists on the money he has left under the salary cap, he could have had Derrick Henry cheap. Dallas defense is pathetic. Dak should have taken less money and gone to a contender, but he may be making mega bucks in endorsement by being the face of the cowboys.
    ....
    Last edited by BorneDawg; 09-22-2025 at 11:41 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    Maybe. Last year in the playoffs, here's the cap hit for each in that season ...

    Hurts 21.8M
    Mahomes 37M
    Allen 30M
    Jackson 32M
    Daniels 6.8M
    Goff 27M
    Stroud 8M
    Darnold 5M
    Mayfield 6.9M
    Love 20.7M
    Nix 3M
    Wilson 1.2M

    For reference, Dak's is 50M this season.

    Really just the elite guys (mahomes, Jackson, and Allen) were over 30M. And that cap hit by mahomes started catching up last season in the form of no WRs. As hurts, Allen, Jackson, and goff start having big hits every season, their supporting cast will get weaker and weaker. The salary cap is a great way to level the playing field, and a big part of why the nfl is so great.
    It's why a QB on a rookie scale contract is the most valuable commodity in the NFL. You're able to go all in everywhere else for a 4 year period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve View Post
    It's why a QB on a rookie scale contract is the most valuable commodity in the NFL. You're able to go all in everywhere else for a 4 year period.
    Yep

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    Quote Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve View Post
    It's why a QB on a rookie scale contract is the most valuable commodity in the NFL. You're able to go all in everywhere else for a 4 year period.
    Apropos, check out Dak's pass catchers years 1-5...

    Things didn't improve until Jerry traded a 1st for Amari...only to trade him for a 6th 3 years later....

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    Quote Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve View Post
    It's why a QB on a rookie scale contract is the most valuable commodity in the NFL. You're able to go all in everywhere else for a 4 year period.
    Also, Jerry and co put waaaay too much stock in their draft evaluations. Taco Charlton, 1st rd DL cut a couple years later. Mazi Smith, 1st rd DL, hasn't player this year, definitely a future cut. Vander Esch, 1st rd LB, played OK, but injury prone, now retired. Last year traded a 4th (!!!) for Mingo, who was about to be cut by Carolina, bc "they graded him high coming out of OM", and hasn't played meaningful snaps. Lastly, Parsons, 1st rd LB/DE that was clearly an impact player, but didn't extend him early (where they could've saved possibly 10+ mil annually), only to trade him for 2 1st rd picks that will likely be in the 20s. And now a lack of a pass rusher is killing this D. Hmm....

    Also didn't extend CeeDee earlier.

    Also didn't extend Dak earlier.

    Y'all blaming Dak for getting his money, but maybe blame the geriatric derelict calling the shots.
    Last edited by BeardoMSU; 09-22-2025 at 04:45 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeardoMSU View Post
    Also, Jerry and co put waaaay too much stock in their draft evaluations. Taco Charlton, 1st rd DL cut a couple years later. Mazi Smith, 1st rd DL, hasn't player this year, definitely a future cut. Vander Esch, 1st rd LB, played OK, but injury prone, now retired. Last year traded a 4th (!!!) for Mingo, who was about to be cut by Carolina, bc "they graded him high coming out of OM", and hasn't played meaningful snaps. Lastly, Parsons, 1st rd LB/DE that was clearly an impact player, but didn't extend him early (where they could've saved possibly 10+ mil annually), only to trade him for 2 1st rd picks that will likely be in the 20s. And now a lack of a pass rusher is killing this D. Hmm....

    Also didn't extend CeeDee earlier.

    Also didn't extend Dak earlier.

    Y'all blaming Dak for getting his money, but maybe blame the geriatric derelict calling the shots.
    I don't blame anyone for getting their money. But being that Dak's cap hit is 1.5x the hit of freaking Patrick Mahomes, who also has WR issues, it's easy to see why the blame falls on the QB some. I mean if he took 4 years for 120 instead of 240 they could've easily afforded Micah and gotten Dak a good RB and another good WR. Again, not blaming someone for getting what they're worth but there's two sides to the argument.

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    Yeah. Dak taking less money after that rookie contract to compensate for front office ignorance/incompetence makes perfect sense. *****

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    Quote Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton View Post
    Yeah. Dak taking less money after that rookie contract to compensate for front office ignorance/incompetence makes perfect sense. *****
    Exactly, Jerry would have just either pocketed the profit or gave a bigger contract to Zeke or something else moronic. Dallas might have the worst front office / coaching if it wasn't for Cleveland.

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    I wish Atlanta would get him. Last decent QB they had was Matt Ryan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton View Post
    Yeah. Dak taking less money after that rookie contract to compensate for front office ignorance/incompetence makes perfect sense. *****
    No one is saying he should take less. I think he should get all he can. Still though, him taking a huge chunk of the cap will have a direct effect on his supporting cast, so you can't have it both ways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe View Post
    Exactly, Jerry would have just either pocketed the profit or gave a bigger contract to Zeke or something else moronic. Dallas might have the worst front office / coaching if it wasn't for Cleveland.
    Yall are just being silly now. Since 2000, the cowboys are 218-189 (.536), which is 10th in the nfl.

    ETA... brown are 140-266-1 (.345), which is 32nd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    No one is saying he should take less. I think he should get all he can. Still though, him taking a huge chunk of the cap will have a direct effect on his supporting cast, so you can't have it both ways.
    If Jerry would have extended him earlier instead of waiting till the last minute he could have signed a more team friendly deal but he didn't... also this league is brutal so if you're Dak and sign a lesser deal the get hurt and lose value for rest of career he'd be crazy for not getting what he can when he can

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    No one is saying he should take less. I think he should get all he can. Still though, him taking a huge chunk of the cap will have a direct effect on his supporting cast, so you can't have it both ways.
    He didn't get 'all he can'. He got what he is worth. After playing for chump change the first four years. The reason he doesn't have a supporting cast is because the front office sucks at it.

    Feels like there's an endless loop of a Billy Preston song playing here.

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