Kamario or bust

[justwin]

I start Kamario first snap of season and I even name him starter a week before USM. I potentially bring shapen in every 3rd series for first few games to give kamario a breather. If Kamario plays all 12 games, MSU will win 6+. you have to play the best players and Kamario has all of the tools, intelligence, enrolled early, and winning pedigree. you see this every year when coaches pick the wrong QB wasting the first half of the season. Look at Lagway last year at UF and all of the wasted reps with Mertz. then, look at beamer starting Sellers game 1 and they won 9 last year inlcuding clemson which was bold and smart by Beamer. what beamer did was incredibly rare and it saved his job. Kamario needs all of the reps of the first four games to be ready to win the 3 of the last 6. this is the only take worth having on this upcoming season. I doubt I watch any games unless Kamario plays and I know most MSU fans feel the same. Kamario would be hell in Lebby's offense, probably better than the guy who signed with auburn from oklahoma.

[Quaoarsking]

I start Kamario first snap of season and I even name him starter a week before USM. I potentially bring shapen in every 3rd series for first few games to give kamario a breather. If Kamario plays all 12 games, MSU will win 6+. you have to play the best players and Kamario has all of the tools, intelligence, enrolled early, and winning pedigree. you see this every year when coaches pick the wrong QB wasting the first half of the season. Look at Lagway last year at UF and all of the wasted reps with Mertz. then, look at beamer starting Sellers game 1 and they won 9 last year inlcuding clemson which was bold and smart by Beamer. what beamer did was incredibly rare and it saved his job. Kamario needs all of the reps of the first four games to be ready to win the 3 of the last 6. this is the only take worth having on this upcoming season. I doubt I watch any games unless Kamario plays and I know most MSU fans feel the same. Kamario would be hell in Lebby's offense, probably better than the guy who signed with auburn from oklahoma.

We do?

[Cooterpoot]

Welcome back Just Win! LOL

[StarkVegasSteve]

We do?

I was thinking the same thing. Kamario is good and has the chance to be an all time great, but he's not ready. Everyone is taking a spring game and rolling with it that he's the best QB. That's a low leverage, no pressure type situation. His throws are also all predetermined. There was no reading a defense.

Now look, if we start off 3-1 or worse and then start getting skulled in SEC play then yeah. Go ahead and throw him in there Game 8 or 9. But just be careful with him. Because it'd be really nice to not have to burn his RS year on a lost season.

[Quaoarsking]

I was thinking the same thing. Kamario is good and has the chance to be an all time great, but he's not ready. Everyone is taking a spring game and rolling with it that he's the best QB. That's a low leverage, no pressure type situation. His throws are also all predetermined. There was no reading a defense.

Now look, if we start off 3-1 or worse and then start getting skulled in SEC play then yeah. Go ahead and throw him in there Game 8 or 9. But just be careful with him. Because it'd be really nice to not have to burn his RS year on a lost season.

I don't think redshirting is going to be thing anymore by 2029, so we shouldn't worry about that.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I don't think redshirting is going to be thing anymore by 2029, so we shouldn't worry about that.

And it may not. I just would love for him to have a year to develop and really learn this offense without the pressure of having to learn it, learn how to command an offense at this level, the weight of the season riding on his shoulders, etc. when he is less than a year into college. QB is the one position I don't mind waiting a year to let them develop. I think had Van Buren been able to develop last year, 1. He would still be here and 2. We'd feel really good about where the QB room was right now.

[Lord McBuckethead]

I don't think redshirting is going to be thing anymore by 2029, so we shouldn't worry about that.

With open transfers and NIL, there is no reason to even worry about someone's redshirt year anymore. We invest in these players, then they get $12 dollars more from Auburn and they leave.

We all know this year is going to be rough, 90 days before kickoff. Might as well get the guy some easy snaps against the non-conference and take a gamble on him getting up to speed as quickly as possible. 3-9 or 2-10, I would rather our younger players get the reps. All that being said, I like Shapen. If he is our starter, then you have to protect the younger guy's redshirt.

No offense to Shapen. The issue here is that we are probably spending some big cheese on the guy NIL.

[PGHBulldogBG]

Shapen is a backup QB. I agree with the OP we need to start Kamario and role. It might cause some early hurdles, but it is Lebby's only chance to get to 5 or 6 wins.

[Cooterpoot]

Shapen is a backup QB. I agree with the OP we need to start Kamario and role. It might cause some early hurdles, but it is Lebby's only chance to get to 5 or 6 wins.

His numbers before he got hurt were really good and that was before we even had a running game. Almost 70% completion percentage and 9 TDs to 1 pick. 9 yards per too

[Hot Rock]

I do not have an opinion on who should start as I am not a football coach, much less one that is there everyday and neither are any of you or you would not be putting this on a message board.

Why is it we can?t hire a coach, let him pick his starter and roll with it?

Just like redshirting is meaningless, getting a true freshman reps is a waste. Play the best guy, let the coach pick that guy and let?s roll.

[StarkVegasSteve]

His numbers before he got hurt were really good and that was before we even had a running game. Almost 70% completion percentage and 9 TDs to 1 pick. 9 yards per too

Yea Shapen was not the problem last year. Hell I go back to the Arizona St game and wonder how differently that game plays out if Traore catches the one Shapen dropped into his arms on the second play of the game or the Craver "offensive PI" that negated like a 65 yard gain. If we win that, I think we take care of Toledo the next week and roll into Florida 4-0

[vv83]

Play whoever the best player is. Shapen is no scrub he?s a legit SEC caliber QB just was not healthy last year. If KT is better then you start him.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Play whoever the best player is. Shapen is no scrub he?s a legit SEC caliber QB just was not healthy last year. If KT is better then you start him.

100%. If If Taylor, let's please don't call him KT guys, shows out and shows you he's the best then start him. Period.

[Cooterpoot]

Play whoever the best player is. Shapen is no scrub he?s a legit SEC caliber QB just was not healthy last year. If KT is better then you start him.

And that's Shapen and it's already decided. There's really no debate here anyway. The question is who takes over if Shapen goes down.

[Homedawg]

We do?

No we don't. He's physically skilled. But he's played at noxubee high. He's never seen anything like an sc defense. He will be good one day. And hopefully sooner rather than later. But...

[Homedawg]

And that's Shapen and it's already decided. There's really no debate here anyway. The question is who takes over if Shapen goes down.

This^

[basedog]

No we don't. He's physically skilled. But he's played at noxubee high. He's never seen anything like an sc defense. He will be good one day. And hopefully sooner rather than later. But...

Yep

[BravesDoggy]

Shapen is a backup QB. I agree with the OP we need to start Kamario and role. It might cause some early hurdles, but it is Lebby's only chance to get to 5 or 6 wins.

Shapen is a good QB. If he had played for 2nd half of the season MSU we may have won another game or 2. The only really bad play he made was taking the bad sack and fumble against ASU. And he had ZERO running game. If he had the Booth we saw in the latter part of the season he could have done a lot of damage. Not Shapen's fault that the team totally fell asleep against Toledo and couldn't stop a sneeze against Florida.

The guy can make throws all over the field. We need WR that can catch it and a line that can keep him upright. He has the feet to get himself out of trouble. We don't need him to rush for 75 or 100 yards, just scramble and get down.

[viverlibre]

Shapen only putting 17 points on Toledo (at home), is the only thing one should consider if deciding if he or any other QB should start.

[Hot Rock]

Shapen only putting 17 points on Toledo (at home), is the only thing one should consider if deciding if he or any other QB should start.

And that is one more reason why you are not coaching a major football program!