Pollard update from Talty

[tcdog70]

Call me stupid if you want, but we don't need Pollard. I am much happier with the Zappardo signing than I would've been with Pollard. This team needs somebody that can shoot it consistently outside of 10 feet. All indications are that the new kid can do that. We don't need another guy that can only shoot in the paint. I know Pollard fires up a few 3's here and there, but so does Chicken, and I cringe everytime he shoots one(I had never seen anyone bank in a 3 pointer from the corner until last season). I hope Pollard lands somewhere good, but I'm not upset one bit he won't be a Bulldog

Ok , I'll be the first you are stupid

[Coach34]

Let me reiterate:

Pollard didnt make 1 single 3-ball this past year in juco
Zapp shot 42% from 3

[Coach34]

Ok , I'll be the first you are stupid

What has Pollard showed you in two years of college basketball that he is an SEC player?

He did nothing at Bama and was nothing special in juco

[thf24]

Ok , I'll be the first you are stupid

Just confirm this for me to make sure I'm understanding correctly. After struggling through dismal shooting and broken paint defense due to poor post depth last year, you would rather have a guy who improves neither over a guy who improves both? Because that's exactly what you're saying by calling dawgy stupid for that post.

[whosyourdawgy]

What has Pollard showed you in two years of college basketball that he is an SEC player?

He did nothing at Bama and was nothing special in juco

He can dunk! And he can catch alley oops and dunk! Um, I don't have anything else

[thf24]

He can dunk! And he can catch alley oops and dunk! Um, I don't have anything else

Yeah! Just like Bear Wilson! I'm sure he'd be able to beat out Bear for his 4 minutes a game.

[Coach34]

I see tcdog went to Sixpack and tried to drum up support for Pollard there. Still waiting on what he has done in college- 2 years of college mind you- that makes him think he is a big talent

[engie]

I see tcdog went to Sixpack and tried to drum up support for Pollard there. Still waiting on what he has done in college- 2 years of college mind you- that makes him think he is a big talent

I love how not only he went insecure trying to take it elsewhere -- but he left out every semblance of fact with Pollard's production...

[smootness]

Do people honestly believe that Pollard is truly a 5-star basketball player, yet we signed Johnny Zuppardo over him? Why would we do that? Do people honestly believe Rick Ray is completely clueless?

[JOHNHEVESYMADE]

Do people honestly believe that Pollard is truly a 5-star basketball player, yet we signed Johnny Zuppardo over him? Why would we do that? Do people honestly believe Rick Ray is completely clueless?

He hasn't done anything to make me think otherwise.

[engie]

Do people honestly believe that Pollard is truly a 5-star basketball player, yet we signed Johnny Zuppardo over him? Why would we do that? Do people honestly believe Rick Ray is completely clueless?

Which 2 of these 3 would you prefer as your power forwards? All stats are "second year" JUCO stats. Here's a hint -- 2 are the guys we've signed in the past 2 classes that people have widely complained about -- the 3rd is Pollard.

A)
11.9 PPG
19.6 PP40
7.2 RPG
2.2 APG
73.4% FT
52.2% FG
28.6% 3P
14 blocks
29 steals
1.0 A/TO %

B)
12.0 PPG
? PP40
6.3 RPG
1.0 APG
64% FT
59.4% FG
0.0% 3P(0-2)
24 blocks
28 steals
0.6 A/TO %

C)
15.2 PPG
30.7 PP40
6.9 RPG
0.8 APG
75.7% FT
61.7% FG
43.3% 3P(29-67)
26 blocks
33 steals
0.4 A/TO %


OBVIOUSLY one 5* and a couple shitty, no-name 3*s***

[Coach34]

He hasn't done anything to make me think otherwise.

Kevin Stallings disagrees

[smootness]

He hasn't done anything to make me think otherwise.

Then I don't know what to tell you. The fact that he didn't do anything for Alabama and then averaged 3.5 fewer points and over 1 fewer rebound at EMCC than Colin Borchert did tells me he isn't a 5-star basketball player.

But if you think someone's opinion of how his game would translate to the next level before he ever tried it is more valuable than that, go for it.

[Coach34]

Which 2 of these 3 would you prefer as your power forwards? All stats are "second year" JUCO stats. Here's a hint -- 2 are the guys we've signed in the past 2 classes that people have widely complained about -- the 3rd is Pollard.

A)
11.9 PPG
19.6 PP40
7.2 RPG
2.2 APG
73.4% FT
52.2% FG
28.6% 3P
14 blocks
29 steals
1.0 A/TO %

B)
12.0 PPG
? PP40
6.3 RPG
1.0 APG
64% FT
59.4% FG
0.0% 3P(0-2)
24 blocks
28 steals
0.6 A/TO %

C)
15.2 PPG
30.7 PP40
6.9 RPG
0.8 APG
75.7% FT
61.7% FG
43.3% 3P(29-67)
26 blocks
33 steals
0.4 A/TO %


OBVIOUSLY one 5* and a couple shitty, no-name 3*s***

Obviously 5-star Pollard is B

He is the worst rebounder and cant make a 3. Also the worst FT shooter of the bunch. But of course because Stands once recruited him- thats who some of our fans want. Nobody worth a shit has offered him- but thats who some of our fans want. Amazing

I also liked seeing Daniels averaged over 2 assists per game- apparently he is a solid passer and knows where to get the ball.

[quickstrike2]

Kevin Stallings disagrees

Trent Johnson agrees. All for giving Ray a fair chance, but let's not give credit for one particular win, and not credit for the particular bad losses.

[tcdog70]

I see tcdog went to Sixpack and tried to drum up support for Pollard there. Still waiting on what he has done in college- 2 years of college mind you- that makes him think he is a big talent

too bad you can't got to sixpack with your stupid basketball shit.

[Irondawg]

Forget everything else, the simple question is would getting Pollard help us win basketball games the next two years? From my limited information I'd have to say he wouldn't help anymore than anybody else we have. I'm sure the coaching staff looked at a bunch of film and probably saw him play in person. Also note that often these coaches take the opinion of their JUCO coach into account and it's clear the JUCO coach (who is quite well respected by the way) doesn't think he can really impact a higher end D1 team.

Would it be a publicity win - sure. But isn't that what we bash OM here for all the time? Overhyped recruits that don't really live up to their ratings.

Look nobody is happy with baskeball and even most Ray defenders are firmly in his corner b/c other than cleaning up the attitudes, he hasn't done a whole lot. But sometimes you have to endure the purge. We did it with football and we can do it with basketball. Ray has to prove that he's the guy than can turn it around and he has this year and this class to earn more time. If he flames out with both then about this time next year we'll be talking about potential coaching hires.

[tcdog70]

Do people honestly believe that Pollard is truly a 5-star basketball player, yet we signed Johnny Zuppardo over him? Why would we do that? Do people honestly believe Rick Ray is completely clueless?

I have no problem with Zuppardo. But why bash Pollard? I am glad we will sign JZ. the only reason to bash Pollard is because he is associated with Stansbury. But to try and say DP is not Talented is asinine. When this board gets dull, 34 puts up some basketball shit to stir it up.

[smootness]

He hasn't done anything to make me think otherwise.

Oh, you were trying to say that Ray hasn't done anything to make you think he isn't clueless? What a tool.

Yeah, he's managed to work his way into a head coaching job at an SEC school after being an assistant at other high-major programs under good coaches, I'm sure the guy is clueless.

I'm not saying that means everything he does must be the best decision, but if Pollard were truly a 5-star, it would be obvious to anyone who isn't a complete moron about basketball. Yet clearly there are a lot of coaches, Ray included, who don't think he is.

[smootness]

I have no problem with Zuppardo. But why bash Pollard? I am glad we will sign JZ. the only reason to bash Pollard is because he is associated with Stansbury. But to try and say DP is not Talented is asinine. When this board gets dull, 34 puts up some basketball shit to stir it up.

No one is bashing Pollard. But you're still operating under the assumption that he is super talented and would instantly be an impact guy in the SEC. I think that assumption is wrong, and that's why we're talking about it.