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    Quote Originally Posted by HoopsDawg View Post
    And Cam didn't pick up his 4th foul until 40 seconds left in the game. Jans is too conservative on fouls.
    If he's trying to steal mins there, I wish he woulda used Warren.

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    This is a team Howland would have lost. Hell we mostly expected to lose it there at the end. Jans is a culture changer. We don't rely on one guy to carry. We've got 8 different guys that can takeover a game on any given night.

    This win punctuates us being a top 15 team. A win saturday and you can't deny we're top 10. Everything in front of us.
    "Once the game starts, it's gonna be easy." - Lebron, July 10th, 2010

    "No one ever said it's gonna be easy." - Lebron, June 12th, 2011

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    Always a big deal to win on the road. Obviously some things to clean up but thats a solid Q1 win

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    For all the bitching doom and gloom (myself included) during the mid 2nd half collapse....

    ESPN never had our win probability drop below 80% and Vandy never got within one score.
    "Once the game starts, it's gonna be easy." - Lebron, July 10th, 2010

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    We won an SEC game on the road. Thats tough to do especially this season considering how good the SEC is. Hubbard and Kugel struggled, especially Kugel but there will be games like this, it happens. Good thing is we have enough depth this year to overcome it. Tonight Melendez, Cam and Harris got it done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NCMSTFAN View Post
    We won an SEC game on the road. Thats tough to do especially this season considering how good the SEC is. Hubbard and Kugel struggled, especially Kugel but there will be games like this, it happens. Good thing is we have enough depth this year to overcome it. Tonight Melendez, Cam and Harris got it done.
    Jans has got to keep Kugel engaged. And he's got to put him in position to be successful. We saw the talent and what he's capable of vs Memphis and Bethune.

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    We could have done a lot of things better but #1, and #6 lost on the road tonight so I'll definitely take it. I'm not sure what is going on with Clary but if he's not going to be back soon I would like to see Warren when we are up by 20.
    We need another ball handler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoopsDawg View Post
    Jans has got to keep Kugel engaged. And he's got to put him in position to be successful. We saw the talent and what he's capable of vs Memphis and Bethune.
    And Kugel has to play with high energy and stay locked in. I'm sure it's tough not seeing the floor until the 13 minute mark but he needs to stay unselfish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoopsDawg View Post
    Jans has got to keep Kugel engaged. And he's got to put him in position to be successful. We saw the talent and what he's capable of vs Memphis and Bethune.
    I agree with you, and as bad as Kugel played tonight we know what he is capable of doing and we will need him going forward. When he is on he is tough for anyone to stop. Sometimes he looks uninterested but I think that's just his personality

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    Quote Originally Posted by LC Dawg View Post
    We could have done a lot of things better but #1, and #6 lost on the road tonight so I'll definitely take it. I'm not sure what is going on with Clary but if he's not going to be back soon I would like to see Warren when we are up by 20.
    We need another ball handler.
    It doesn't seem like Jans fully trusts Warren yet, I'm not sure when we get Clary back so until then Kugel and Cam will have to help with ball handling duties. Let's be honest, until tonight Kugel was doing a pretty good job running some back up point considering that's not his natural position, but we do need a healthy Clary back and I hope to see him soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NCMSTFAN View Post
    We won an SEC game on the road. Thats tough to do especially this season considering how good the SEC is. Hubbard and Kugel struggled, especially Kugel but there will be games like this, it happens. Good thing is we have enough depth this year to overcome it. Tonight Melendez, Cam and Harris got it done.
    I would also include Nwoko in that. He was very physical tonight and we needed that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NCMSTFAN View Post
    I agree with you, and as bad as Kugel played tonight we know what he is capable of doing and we will need him going forward. When he is on he is tough for anyone to stop. Sometimes he looks uninterested but I think that's just his personality
    Usually Cam runs point forward but he was on the bench with 3.

    Vandy wisely pressed every time Hubbard was on the bench. That coach is going to be a problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LC Dawg View Post
    I would also include Nwoko in that. He was very physical tonight and we needed that.
    Agreed, I like Nwoko.. he is athletic, has some size and has good intangibles. He isn't the bruiser type big man that we have had but he brings enough athleticism, size and hard work that he contributes. He is still young also and can develop into good SEC big as long as he continues to work hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoopsDawg View Post
    Usually Cam runs point forward but he was on the bench with 3.

    Vandy wisely pressed every time Hubbard was on the bench. That coach is going to be a problem.
    True and Jans chose not to go with Warren so that kind of tells you he isn't ready for prime time just yet. Harris and Melendez can also bring the ball up some so again, we are lucky to have the depth we do this year but we could definitely use Clary soon.

    Yes they have a pretty dang good coach, Vandy went 9-23 last year and are already 13-2 this year with some solid wins under this coach, he won alot at JMU also. The SEC is going to be very scary for years to come

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    With Kugel so disengaged tonight. I wonder if he is going to be our sulking violet. Or maybe his girlfriend left him and his dog died. Something was very off from the minute he entered the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tater View Post
    This is a team Howland would have lost. Hell we mostly expected to lose it there at the end. Jans is a culture changer. We don't rely on one guy to carry. We've got 8 different guys that can takeover a game on any given night.

    This win punctuates us being a top 15 team. A win saturday and you can't deny we're top 10. Everything in front of us.
    I think MSU fans were haunted by that game against Vanderbilt where they had that dude that literally could not miss and led them to a big comeback a few years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainObvious View Post
    With Kugel so disengaged tonight. I wonder if he is going to be our sulking violet. Or maybe his girlfriend left him and his dog died. Something was very off from the minute he entered the game.
    That is going to be Kugel some nights. Jans probably waited a little too long to get him in and let him get in the flow of the game too. I felt like he was pressing trying to speed his way into the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd4State View Post
    I think MSU fans were haunted by that game against Vanderbilt where they had that dude that literally could not miss and led them to a big comeback a few years ago.
    That game is old enough to drive at this point. ****ing Shan Foster hit 4 3s in the final 45 seconds of 4th/OT and we lost by 1 in OT iirc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tater View Post
    That game is old enough to drive at this point. ****ing Shan Foster hit 4 3s in the final 45 seconds of 4th/OT and we lost by 1 in OT iirc.
    That was the stupidest damn game. We should have won the thing like 3 times. Memorial Gym was a graveyard for our teams in those days. Never won there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeardoMSU View Post
    This is insane. Our depth is so damn good. How many games would we've lost so far with the offense of the last few years? Serious, this team is ELITE.
    Another eye opening stat line is we scored 76 points on only 57 shots. 57 shots were a high number for Jans's previous couple of teams and we were reeling off about 55 points per game. Vandy did a pretty good job slowing our offense down and we also got out rebounded for the first time in a while. I hope we get some adrenaline going when Big Blue comes in the building and we get 30 point Josh back on Saturday.
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