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    Quote Originally Posted by bulldawg28 View Post
    IF ALL the guys coming back and signed are back ups the transfers are expected to be starters. Football doesn't work that way. Guys will improve year to year. Again, everyone isn't Chris Jones. However, I'm confident returning guys are SEC talents.
    I'm glad you are, because I'm not. If we have SEC talent, it sure didn't show this year. I mean there's a reason we're bringing in so many guys, it's because we don't think we have talent or depth at that position. Like I said, we have some depth pieces but no high end starters. Could Kalvin Dinkins be that? Absolutely. Could Trevion Williams be that? Absolutely. The problem is that we're hoping and not knowing. Hope gets you beat in the SEC. You need production, especially this day and age.

    That's why I'm really excited about a guy like Will Whitson. He's shown he can do it and stay healthy doing it, yes he got banged up last year but could've come back. He shut it down so he could enter the portal. We don't know if Dinkins can do it and Trevion hasn't been healthy long enough to see. If those guys could get and stay healthy, then we have something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bulldawg28 View Post
    IF ALL the guys coming back and signed are back ups the transfers are expected to be starters. Football doesn't work that way. Guys will improve year to year. Again, everyone isn't Chris Jones. However, I'm confident returning guys are SEC talents.
    Did you watch the same defensive line group last year that I watched?
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    Quote Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve View Post
    I'm glad you are, because I'm not. If we have SEC talent, it sure didn't show this year. I mean there's a reason we're bringing in so many guys, it's because we don't think we have talent or depth at that position. Like I said, we have some depth pieces but no high end starters. Could Kalvin Dinkins be that? Absolutely. Could Trevion Williams be that? Absolutely. The problem is that we're hoping and not knowing. Hope gets you beat in the SEC. You need production, especially this day and age.

    That's why I'm really excited about a guy like Will Whitson. He's shown he can do it and stay healthy doing it, yes he got banged up last year but could've come back. He shut it down so he could enter the portal. We don't know if Dinkins can do it and Trevion hasn't been healthy long enough to see. If those guys could get and stay healthy, then we have something.
    Dinkins & Williams along with the transfer guys is 2 to 3 deep and SEC talent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msu15 View Post
    Did you watch the same defensive line group last year that I watched?
    The DL was average. The LB play was poor along with the secondary. There's not much a DL can do when you're playing majority 3 down lineman vs 5 or 6 OL each play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bulldawg28 View Post
    Dinkins & Williams along with the transfer guys is 2 to 3 deep and SEC talent.
    I want to agree with you, but even if healthy Dinkins and Williams are average SEC guys. I really like the Whitson kid, he is a clear upgrade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog View Post
    I want to agree with you, but even if healthy Dinkins and Williams are average SEC guys. I really like the Whitson kid, he is a clear upgrade.
    That's all you need if they're backups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bulldawg28 View Post
    The DL was average.
    As someone that played in the trenches I disagree pretty strongly. To each their own.
    "We will have no problem in handling Kentucky."-Turfdawg67. MSU suffered a 27-17 defeat in 2022 with 225 yards in total offense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msu15 View Post
    As someone that played in the trenches I disagree pretty strongly. To each their own.
    I agree with you. Our DL was BAD. No way around it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve View Post
    I agree with you. Our DL was BAD. No way around it.
    Bad is generous. I know injuries, but the Arkansas game was the worst DL I think I've ever watched in CFB... not just MSU games. Non existent that game.

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    A nice corner prospect just hit the portal - Michael Coats, an ALL MWC performer from Nevada. He would be a perfect fit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DEDawg View Post
    Bad is generous. I know injuries, but the Arkansas game was the worst DL I think I've ever watched in CFB... not just MSU games. Non existent that game.
    It was non existent most games. But we were in a Catch 22. We couldn't get home if we sent 3 or 4, but would have receivers running open if we blitzed. I thought the Egg Bowl we did a great job of disguising coverage until the snap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog View Post
    A nice corner prospect just hit the portal - Michael Coats, an ALL MWC performer from Nevada. He would be a perfect fit.
    Open the checkbook. I want him, the DE from Clemson, the DT from Coastal then whatever Lebby ends up doing at WR

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    Quote Originally Posted by DEDawg View Post
    Open the checkbook. I want him, the DE from Clemson, the DT from Coastal then whatever Lebby ends up doing at WR
    We're not getting the DE from Clemson. I doubt we even are able to get in the game with him. We will get the DT from Coastal and Lebby still has plenty of time at WR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve View Post
    We're not getting the DE from Clemson. I doubt we even are able to get in the game with him. We will get the DT from Coastal and Lebby still has plenty of time at WR.
    I figured as much, but I'm still in Christmas miracle mode

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    Quote Originally Posted by DEDawg View Post
    Open the checkbook. I want him, the DE from Clemson, the DT from Coastal then whatever Lebby ends up doing at WR
    You just need to put the DE from Clemson out of your mind. He's not coming

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    Quote Originally Posted by msu15 View Post
    As someone that played in the trenches I disagree pretty strongly. To each their own.
    As someone who played in the SEC with elite talent and SEC talent I stand on my foundation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msu15 View Post
    As someone that played in the trenches I disagree pretty strongly. To each their own.
    Name the DL that played with Chris Jones. Name the DL with Simmons. Were they SEC talent? At MSU there's typically one elite guy surrounded with SEC talent. The elite teams have elite depth. However, we've found our formula for success.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bulldawg28 View Post
    Name the DL that played with Chris Jones. Name the DL with Simmons. Were they SEC talent? At MSU there's one elite with SEC talent surrounding him. The elite teams have elite depth. However, we've found our formula for success.
    Jones: Nelson Adams, Ryan Brown, Jonathan Calvin, Torrey Dale, Braxton Hoyett, Nick James, AJ Jefferson

    Simmons: Corey Thomas, Gerri Green, Grant Harris, Fletcher Adams, Montez Sweat, Marquiss Spencer


    Those were some DUDES. They were SEC guys. Most were depth guys, but SEC depth guys. We don't have any guys like that. We have G5 depth guys. We'd kill for a Braxton Hoyett or a Fletcher Adams or a Grant Harris or even a Ryan Brown on this team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve View Post
    Jones: Nelson Adams, Ryan Brown, Jonathan Calvin, Torrey Dale, Braxton Hoyett, Nick James, AJ Jefferson

    Simmons: Corey Thomas, Gerri Green, Grant Harris, Fletcher Adams, Montez Sweat, Marquiss Spencer


    Those were some DUDES. They were SEC guys. Most were depth guys, but SEC depth guys. We don't have any guys like that. We have G5 depth guys. We'd kill for a Braxton Hoyett or a Fletcher Adams or a Grant Harris or even a Ryan Brown on this team.
    One or two were dudes. The rest were SEC talented guys if they were dudes they would have been NFL guys. Simmons and Sweat were dudes. Jones played with SEC talent. The transfer guys signed are proven or guys with high ceilings. It's up to the coaching to bring it out.

    If the current coaches can't sign or bring out talent Mullen will upon his return.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bulldawg28 View Post
    One or two were dudes. The rest were SEC talented guys if they were dudes they would have been NFL guys. Simmons and Sweat were dudes. Jones played with SEC talent. The transfer guys signed are proven or guys with high ceilings. It's up to the coaching to bring it out.

    If the current coaches can't sign or bring out talent Mullen will upon his return.
    Dan isn't coming back. I can say that with pretty much 100% confidence. There were talks last year and he had no interest. He only took the UNLV job because Bishop Gorman is such a good HS that his son will get recognition and the AAU circuit is huge in Vegas now.

    There's also the Zach Arnett piece to it. We will never let him back in our building again.

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