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12-14-2024, 10:16 AM
#1241

Originally Posted by
Bdawg
So is that Murphy kid still going to AU? Wonder what he thinks about Hugh now?
The same thing we all think about him.
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12-14-2024, 10:17 AM
#1242

Originally Posted by
basedog
I would keep MVB. Not for a million dollars but.....keep his options open.
Well you are not getting him for anything under 1.1. That is his price.
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12-14-2024, 10:25 AM
#1243

Originally Posted by
StarkVegasSteve
Well you are not getting him for anything under 1.1. That is his price.
Here's my question. Why would we not pay that?
I get he's young. But our fan base is exceedingly unrealistic on what pay for play really means. If we want guys with potential and who can play, we have to pay. And it's going to cost a lot of money. More than we are comfortable with.
The reason we don't get guys is because we aren't willing to pay. Period. We won two games. It's gonna cost money to get players.
Time to get over it. You want to win? Pay these kids a lot of money. Every year. And get used to it. To get good QBs, the word million is gonna have to be in the sentence. Hundreds of thousands doesn't get you QB talent. Sucks but it is what it is.
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12-14-2024, 10:28 AM
#1244

Originally Posted by
MetEdDawg
Here's my question. Why would we not pay that?
I get he's young. But our fan base is exceedingly unrealistic on what pay for play really means. If we want guys with potential and who can play, we have to pay. And it's going to cost a lot of money. More than we are comfortable with.
The reason we don't get guys is because we aren't willing to pay. Period. We won two games. It's gonna cost money to get players.
Time to get over it. You want to win? Pay these kids a lot of money. Every year. And get used to it. To get good QBs, the word million is gonna have to be in the sentence. Hundreds of thousands doesn't get you QB talent. Sucks but it is what it is.
I do not mind paying that to a kid who is worth it or has done anything to deserve it. Van Buren is not a good QB. He has good physical skills, ie. strong arm. That is it. He dirts slant routes, has no clue how to move in the pocket, has shit ball control, and has no clue how to read a defense. If he was true Freshman that played sparingly this past year that would be ok. But he played in 10 games and started in 8. It is not a good sign that he was still making the same mistakes in Game 12 that he was in game 5.
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12-14-2024, 10:30 AM
#1245
Had a text from my source a 7:50 saying Arnold was coming to us and then at 8:30 saying something changed in that time frame. These kids are nuts man
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12-14-2024, 10:32 AM
#1246

Originally Posted by
CarolinaDawgs
Had a text from my source a 7:50 saying Arnold was coming to us and then at 8:30 saying something changed in that time frame. These kids are nuts man
Our coaching staff let him go on that trip. That is what happened. They were not letting him leave without committing. Murphy had already left without committing and the natives were restless. Welcome to the portal.
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12-14-2024, 10:34 AM
#1247

Originally Posted by
MetEdDawg
Here's my question. Why would we not pay that?
I get he's young. But our fan base is exceedingly unrealistic on what pay for play really means. If we want guys with potential and who can play, we have to pay. And it's going to cost a lot of money. More than we are comfortable with.
The reason we don't get guys is because we aren't willing to pay. Period. We won two games. It's gonna cost money to get players.
Time to get over it. You want to win? Pay these kids a lot of money. Every year. And get used to it. To get good QBs, the word million is gonna have to be in the sentence. Hundreds of thousands doesn't get you QB talent. Sucks but it is what it is.
$1.1 MIL for 1 win? I like him better than some but not at SEC full time starter money. I would been ok with half that and incentives getting him to his asking price. I'm ok with that with him but not $1.1 MIL. Which he had lowered from his initial $1.5 MIL. Where is his visits lined up btw?
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12-14-2024, 10:44 AM
#1248

Originally Posted by
MetEdDawg
Here's my question. Why would we not pay that?
I get he's young. But our fan base is exceedingly unrealistic on what pay for play really means. If we want guys with potential and who can play, we have to pay. And it's going to cost a lot of money. More than we are comfortable with.
The reason we don't get guys is because we aren't willing to pay. Period. We won two games. It's gonna cost money to get players.
Time to get over it. You want to win? Pay these kids a lot of money. Every year. And get used to it. To get good QBs, the word million is gonna have to be in the sentence. Hundreds of thousands doesn't get you QB talent. Sucks but it is what it is.
Because we're not paying 1.1 million dollars for a guy we see as our backup and who we don't think will be the starter in 2026.
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12-14-2024, 10:46 AM
#1249

Originally Posted by
StarkVegasSteve
They were not letting him leave without committing.
Wth? Did Freeze blow JA himself or what?
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12-14-2024, 10:51 AM
#1250

Originally Posted by
StarkVegasSteve
I do not mind paying that to a kid who is worth it or has done anything to deserve it. Van Buren is not a good QB. He has good physical skills, ie. strong arm. That is it. He dirts slant routes, has no clue how to move in the pocket, has shit ball control, and has no clue how to read a defense. If he was true Freshman that played sparingly this past year that would be ok. But he played in 10 games and started in 8. It is not a good sign that he was still making the same mistakes in Game 12 that he was in game 5.
Our OL was trash and Van Buren is a true freshman. He does need work. But put him in the same talent situation as Iamaleava at Tennessee and he would look a lot different.
He knows the offense and that has value and he clearly has arm talent. And a good P4 team will pay him some money to come in. And what we need right now is talent. Van Buren didn't change the game for us as much as he could have, but his surrounding parts forced us to not allow him to manage games but have to sling it all over the place.
Not a good recipe for a true freshman inserted 1/3 of the way into the year.
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12-14-2024, 10:51 AM
#1251

Originally Posted by
BeardoMSU
Wth? Did Freeze blow JA himself or what?
He went where he wanted to go, Auburn. They probably promised he'd start and he fell for it. He doesn't like competition so it was probably pretty easy.
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12-14-2024, 10:53 AM
#1252

Originally Posted by
MetEdDawg
Our OL was trash and Van Buren is a true freshman. He does need work. But put him in the same talent situation as Iamaleava at Tennessee and he would look a lot different.
He knows the offense and that has value and he clearly has arm talent. And a good P4 team will pay him some money to come in. And what we need right now is talent. Van Buren didn't change the game for us as much as he could have, but his surrounding parts forced us to not allow him to manage games but have to sling it all over the place.
Not a good recipe for a true freshman inserted 1/3 of the way into the year.
Exactly.
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12-14-2024, 10:53 AM
#1253

Originally Posted by
CarolinaDawgs
Had a text from my source a 7:50 saying Arnold was coming to us and then at 8:30 saying something changed in that time frame. These kids are nuts man
This is wrong. It changed the minute he scheduled the Auburn visit. At that point, it was over.
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12-14-2024, 10:55 AM
#1254

Originally Posted by
bulldawg28
He went where he wanted to go, Auburn. They probably promised he'd start and he fell for it. He doesn't like competition so it was probably pretty easy.
This is the aspect nobody is talking about. He has a guaranteed starting spot there. He doesn't have that here. I'd pick Auburn too in that situation.
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12-14-2024, 10:55 AM
#1255

Originally Posted by
bulldawg28
He went where he wanted to go, Auburn. They probably promised he'd start and he fell for it. He doesn't like competition so it was probably pretty easy.
They promised him he would start. Now, when they bring in another QB, my guess is he will try to transfer again and he will try to transfer to us. That will not happen. His only option will be ride the pine at Auburn.
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12-14-2024, 10:55 AM
#1256
We really really really suck at perception. Regardless if Arnold is worth a shit or not we need a positive perceptive media moment and can not do it to save our lives. It is unreal how bad we are at this.
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12-14-2024, 10:55 AM
#1257

Originally Posted by
DownwardDawg
This is wrong. It changed the minute he scheduled the Auburn visit. At that point, it was over.
I think the parents and JA were probably telling us this stuff, but yeah I agree with you. The minute I heard he was going to Auburn for a visit it was over
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12-14-2024, 10:55 AM
#1258

Originally Posted by
BeardoMSU
Wth? Did Freeze blow JA himself or what?
Freeze will always be Freeze. I'm sure several girls not enrolled at Auburn but posing as sorority girls played a very important part.
Freeze has taken the part of the Gospel where Satan tempts Jesus in the wilderness and made it a recruiting strategy.
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12-14-2024, 10:56 AM
#1259

Originally Posted by
StarkVegasSteve
They promised him he would start. Now, when they bring in another QB, my guess is he will try to transfer again and he will try to transfer to us. That will not happen. His only option will be ride the pine at Auburn.
Good. Decisions have consequences
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12-14-2024, 10:56 AM
#1260

Originally Posted by
MetEdDawg
Our OL was trash and Van Buren is a true freshman. He does need work. But put him in the same talent situation as Iamaleava at Tennessee and he would look a lot different.
He knows the offense and that has value and he clearly has arm talent. And a good P4 team will pay him some money to come in. And what we need right now is talent. Van Buren didn't change the game for us as much as he could have, but his surrounding parts forced us to not allow him to manage games but have to sling it all over the place.
Not a good recipe for a true freshman inserted 1/3 of the way into the year.
I don't disagree.
But in our building, he's behind Shapen and Taylor is the future.
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