Since Leach passed

[BuckyIsAB****]

Hyperbole. You said best buddy and that's not close to true between Selmon and Lebby. Friendly acquaintances at best.

Ok. At the very least they are former friendly acquaintances that knew each other coming in and that played in Lebbys favor to get and keep his job. Maybe that?s enough sugar and sunshine

[DEDawg]

Any contributors or decent talent would have transferred out of this shit show if they had half a brain.

That is why there are none.

Your argument back to me is a hypothetical. Im literally telling you, go look at those names in those classes. Nobody Leach recruited us is helping in 2024. Do you know how hard it is to be successful when you get nothing for 3 years out of recruiting? Then MSU did the most good ole boy thing imaginable and hired Arnette which was the final nail in the coffin. It will take 3 years if we do it right to get back to 2010-2020 standards. Let?s hope only 2 more years left.

[Coursesuper]

Your argument back to me is a hypothetical. Im literally telling you, go look at those names in those classes. Nobody Leach recruited us is helping in 2024. Do you know how hard it is to be successful when you get nothing for 3 years out of recruiting? Then MSU did the most good ole boy thing imaginable and hired Arnette which was the final nail in the coffin. It will take 3 years if we do it right to get back to 2010-2020 standards. Let?s hope only 2 more years left.

Yep, that true. It?s a hard sale with this fire them all bunch. They are all pitch forks and torches, and don?t realize that part of why we suck.

[BankerDog]

Right. Im sure they had to learn each others names at the interview. To act like there is not a problem here and there is no favoritism, nepotism, buddy ball going on at MSU since Leach passed is just sticking your head in the sand

You continue to show you know nothing as to how this works. Since NIL killed State?can you ask Will to donate that $300K he got from us back? Or tell Nowell, Robinson, and Ashley in next years class at Brandon to not take NIL money from any school because ?that?s not the way?.

[BankerDog]

On all the boards? This is the only one I read or have an account on. Im just not gonna lie. Keenum needs to go, Lebby is not ready and Selmon has done absolutely nothing visually to inspire any confidence. He has had multiple chances to do what needed to be done and he kept Lemonis and hired his best buddy to keep ruining a tough football program and make it a flashy frat boy party.

Im glad we had some anonymous donors to give some money so Lebby can decide what to do with it haha

You do realize not everyone in the fan base duck hunts, quail hunts, deer hunts, nor fish all the time correct? Some people do wear things different than boots and Wranglers and I can guarantee that there are more big money donor fitting into what I?m talking about than what you perceive as ?one of us? Remember you were suckin Arnett because ?he wore boots and was redneck like me from Rankin County?.

[BankerDog]

Ok. At the very least they are former friendly acquaintances that knew each other coming in and that played in Lebbys favor to get and keep his job. Maybe that?s enough sugar and sunshine

Again-not how it works.

[BuckyIsAB****]

You continue to show you know nothing as to how this works. Since NIL killed State?can you ask Will to donate that $300K he got from us back? Or tell Nowell, Robinson, and Ashley in next years class at Brandon to not take NIL money from any school because ?that?s not the way?.

Will gave a bunch of it to bookie and tulu so they could stay while y?all ran him and his family down because he wouldn?t throw the ball deep enough. Im not even gonna begin to comment on the rest of that

[MBDawg601]

Your argument back to me is a hypothetical. Im literally telling you, go look at those names in those classes. Nobody Leach recruited us is helping in 2024. Do you know how hard it is to be successful when you get nothing for 3 years out of recruiting? Then MSU did the most good ole boy thing imaginable and hired Arnette which was the final nail in the coffin. It will take 3 years if we do it right to get back to 2010-2020 standards. Let?s hope only 2 more years left.

I get your argument, but the liklihood of anyone Leach recruited with any talent or ability to contribute would have left by now, is pretty high considering it's 2 coaches later.

Leach had some guys that contributed a hell of a lot more than ANYONE on this year's team through his few years with us. Including noodle arm WR. Leach averaged in the 25-28 range. Sure it's just numbers beside names, but those numbers are placed there by guys that do this shit for a living. It's not a random number and it does hold some value.

[BuckyIsAB****]

You do realize not everyone in the fan base duck hunts, quail hunts, deer hunts, nor fish all the time correct? Some people do wear things different than boots and Wranglers and I can guarantee that there are more big money donor fitting into what I?m talking about than what you perceive as ?one of us? Remember you were suckin Arnett because ?he wore boots and was redneck like me from Rankin County?.

He sure did fool all of us after he let the wrong crowd call the shots. As far as the rest of that im not even sure how it is relevant to what I said at all. I?m just glad there is someone with more money than me to throw at this bunch we have running the show now

[DEDawg]

the liklihood of anyone Leach recruited with any talent or ability to contribute would have left by now, is pretty high considering it's 2 coaches later.

It was 24 months ago that Leach died. I was told by everyone that Arnette was the right hire to keep that recruiting class together that was so important. Okay so those guys should have been 12 months in the program and ready to contribute this season in Aug 2024. Where are they?

To make my stance clear, I really liked Leach here but it?s just sticking your head in sand to pretend he didnt severely hurt our program for the next guy. Obviously not his fault, we all thought we had more time and rest in peace coach, but unfortunately life is not fair and that is what happened and it screwed us.

Then we doubled down by making the dumbest hire Ive ever seen a college team make in Arnette. We should have bit the bullet and done what we did this season last year. We added an extra year of misery that wasnt needed by promoting the most unqualified P5 HC coach in 2023 and trying to piece together some hybrid air raid bullshit. I get so mad just thinking about how dumb of a decision that was to ever hire him.

[SPMT]

It was 24 months ago that Leach died. I was told by everyone that Arnette was the right hire to keep that recruiting class together that was so important. Okay so those guys should have been 12 months in the program and ready to contribute this season in Aug 2024. Where are they?

To make my stance clear, I really liked Leach here but it?s just sticking your head in sand to pretend he didnt severely hurt our program for the next guy. Obviously not his fault, we all thought we had more time and rest in peace coach, but unfortunately life is not fair and that is what happened and it screwed us.

Then we doubled down by making the dumbest hire Ive ever seen a college team make in Arnette. We should have bit the bullet and done what we did this season last year. We added an extra year of misery that wasnt needed by promoting the most unqualified P5 HC coach in 2023 and trying to piece together some hybrid air raid bullshit. I get so mad just thinking about how dumb of a decision that was to ever hire him.

Man. Hiring Arnett was dumb as hell.

It was obvious after 1-2 games.

[DEDawg]

Man. Hiring Arnett was dumb as hell.

It was obvious after 1-2 games.

Amen

[Gypsy_RoadDawg]

Go back and look at those last few classes under Leach and circle all of those contributors. Especially on defense and tell me it was equal to Mullen's recruiting. Not to mention Leach thought Emerick was good to have around in recruiting. Leach ran a good program, don't mistake me thinking he didn't, but recruiting was not his strong suit.

Leach gave us the national attention that we had since the days of JWS. He was good for MSU in that respect. Leach had us respectable (in most cases) and was building something. Unfortunately, he was unable to complete what he started.

[Jarius]

No I want to hang on to winning a conference game or two and don?t really care how we do it. Unlike some of our folks whod rather be a cool swaggy showtime 2-10 while recruiting at the same level we are blaming leach for haha

Leach is 100 % to blame for our lack of defensive talent right now. I wasn’t aware that was even a debate.

[Jarius]

What explosive offense?? We railed on the defense all year long but what did our offense ever do? When it really mattered? The Georgia game was over a month ago and it was over at halftime. A staff with a future does not get destroyed by Toledo

We were having to play a true freshman quarterback against the toughest schedule in the country. The decision to go get an injury prone quarterback was the problem and that falls on Lebby, but it is pretty obvious that the offense is not going to be an issue with Lebby.

[Jarius]

Probably would have went 2-10. What was his record at WKU again? Damn I mean Washington who is 6-5 after replacing an entire staff and more starters than anyone in the country. I hate he had to miss all the drip and showtime we?ve had

He was awful all year and got benched the last 2 games. Just like we said he would.

[Jarius]

Any contributors or decent talent would have transferred out of this shit show if they had half a brain.

That is why there are none.

We lost 1 SEC level defensive player in the portal. Look at where they all went when they transferred out. Dave Emerick destroyed our recruiting. Particularly on defense.

[Jarius]

I get your argument, but the liklihood of anyone Leach recruited with any talent or ability to contribute would have left by now, is pretty high considering it's 2 coaches later.

Leach had some guys that contributed a hell of a lot more than ANYONE on this year's team through his few years with us. Including noodle arm WR. Leach averaged in the 25-28 range. Sure it's just numbers beside names, but those numbers are placed there by guys that do this shit for a living. It's not a random number and it does hold some value.

Leach died after signing day of 2022. There has been 1 recruiting cycle signing day since his death. These are his players and the defensive ones are almost all awful. That is not debatable. In this day and age, it will not be an excuse after this portal cycle though. If Lebby can’t flip the roster on defense in this portal cycle it is 100% on his staff.

[Coursesuper]

We lost 1 SEC level defensive player in the portal. Look at where they all went when they transferred out. Dave Emerick destroyed our recruiting. Particularly on defense.

Between him and the CC staff they burned damn near every bridge in the state and elsewhere. This staff is having to dig out from under that.

[DEDawg]

What explosive offense?? We railed on the defense all year long but what did our offense ever do? When it really mattered? The Georgia game was over a month ago and it was over at halftime. A staff with a future does not get destroyed by Toledo

Saw this tweet this morning https://x.com/langloismsu/status/186...AiOwVOmMGHXcTA