Grade the job Lebby did as head coach in 2024.

[MBDawg601]

Every Power Four non-elite program's fanbase except us loves the NIL and the Portal because it's closing the gap between them and the elites. What are we not figuring out that everyone else is?

Head coaches and coordinators.

[DEDawg]

People acting like we have shit talent.

Since Leach - top 25-30 recruiting classes. Similar talent level to Arkansas. Please stop acting like we have had classes in the 50s and 60s. There is some talent on this roster - plenty enough to compete in the SEC and plenty enough to run Toledo out of our own stadium. Coaching and evaluating the current roster is why we went 2-10.

We literally do. If you can't see that, sit this one out because you don't understand football.

If you want to go by the recruiting rankings that Leach did, go look at 21, 22, and 23. I assume it's also Lebby's fault that Leach's recruits all either sucked and left the team before he got here, or transferred out when Leach passed and we made the laziest hire in the history of CFB.

[EdwardDrayton]

Every Power Four non-elite program's fanbase except us loves the NIL and the Portal because it's closing the gap between them and the elites. What are we not figuring out that everyone else is?

We've seen examples that seem to suggest, even though we have the money to compete, Starkville just is not a relevant destination.

[MBDawg601]

We literally do. If you can't see that, sit this one out because you don't understand football.

If you want to go by the recruiting rankings that Leach did, go look at 21, 22, and 23. I assume it's also Lebby's fault that Leach's recruits all either sucked and left the team before he got here, or transferred out when Leach passed and we made the laziest hire in the history of CFB.

We have the same talent level as Arkansas and more than likely better talent than Vanderbilt. They are not 2 and 10 and have not gotten ran out of Fayetteville or Nashville by Toledo.

Sure it's Lebby's first year, but he did a shit job.. and that IS his fault. He can control that. We have better talent than 4 teams on our schedule without a doubt and equal talent to 1 or 2 more.

5-6 wins was the expectation, with 4 being the floor and he wasn't even close.

[Todd4State]

We've seen examples that seem to suggest, even though we have the money to compete, Starkville just is not a relevant destination.

Starkville is pretty much the same as any other college town. Auburn and Tuscaloosa aren't exactly meccas of partying.

[Bothrops]

Well, that may be true, but he needs to be bowling next year to deserve another year as our coach. Can you imagine how dead our atmosphere will be in 2026 if Lebby flops again in 2025 and is brought back for 2026 anyway?

Not with our schedule

[mparkerfd20]

His final grade was a 17. He flunked with flying colors. Worse than any Croom coached team by a mile. Major ****up hiring him. Overall F-!

[Todd4State]

Nah man. You're wrong. You can't flip a roster in Dec after going through 2 coaching changes in 12 months, 1 of which was a one and done and the other built the roster for an offense nobody else in the country runs.

This CAN happen IF we make the right decisions. Even where we are at this point- if we do a 3-4 year rebuild it's because we did it wrong.

Every Power Four non-elite program's fanbase except us loves the NIL and the Portal because it's closing the gap between them and the elites. What are we not figuring out that everyone else is?

Honestly, I think it goes back to the old days when MSU had administrators that wouldn't stand up to the NCAA when we were being investigated. So instead of playing the game paying players was strongly discouraged because the program was getting hit hard by probation.

I think the portal and NIL are good for MSU. Look at the parity in the SEC this year. Georgia Tech was a team that was getting blown out by Georgia just a year or two ago and now look at them. There is no Nick Saban monster coach in the SEC anymore basically meaning that IF we get our act together we can have a chance against anyone- similar to the SEC of the 1990's where we pretty much beat everyone at a respectable clip except for LSU and even then we beat them twice in the 1990's. The other thing is the portal allow us you to rebuild fairly quickly. You can flip a roster in an offseason. And sure the first season may be a complete dumpster fire like we had but Vanderbilt became a 6-6+ team by raiding New Mexico State. If they can do that I'm sure we could do the same or something similar.

Could you imagine our 2015 team if there was the portal culture? We could have easily replaced Josh Robinson with some other RB and built a decent defense. That season could have been completely different with the portal. The portal probably would have helped Hevesy's recruiting failures as well.

[EdwardDrayton]

Starkville is pretty much the same as any other college town. Auburn and Tuscaloosa aren't exactly meccas of partying.

Partying is only a subset of the conversation. And this is a national spectrum now with NIL and the portal, not just the SEC map.

[Todd4State]

Not with our schedule

We should win our four OOC games. We almost beat Arizona State and had them on the ropes until Hutzler inexplicably decided to go back to what wasn't working. I imagine we have a better chance of beating them in Starkville.

We could very easily catch up to Mizzou and Arkansas with a good portal haul even though those are on the road. As we saw today the Egg Bowl is unpredictable. There is always the possibility of upsetting someone as well.

Just need to see what we get in the portal.

[Todd4State]

Partying is only a subset of the conversation. And this is a national spectrum now with NIL and the portal, not just the SEC map.

Football is literally the only sport that has trouble recruiting. Basketball and baseball don't. And neither do the women's sports.

[Lord McBuckethead]

F and I saw this coming after Toledo, as I predicted Tech and 10 to my late SuperDog Dad. What, if anything was the building of a foundation in this joke of a season? Arnett and his merry band went 5-7 and were less incompetent than this. First season since 2002 without a SEC win. Every team on our schedule in 2025 will have us circled as a win including OOC foes and why shouldn't they? Going to be plenty of season tickets available next year in prime seating areas.

And they are raising the prices on the boxes.

[MoreCowbell]

Every Power Four non-elite program's fanbase except us loves the NIL and the Portal because it's closing the gap between them and the elites. What are we not figuring out that everyone else is?

Now you are asking the right questions

[MoreCowbell]

We've seen examples that seem to suggest, even though we have the money to compete, Starkville just is not a relevant destination.

Ding ding ding

[MoreCowbell]

Starkville is pretty much the same as any other college town. Auburn and Tuscaloosa aren't exactly meccas of partying.

Tuscaloosa is on a different planet and Auburn is far ahead of Starkville. Fair or not Starkville has a stigma around it that is hard to shake.

There is just A LOT going against us right now.

[parabrave]

Have you ever been to Fayetteville Ark and Columbia MO. Talk about being in the middle of nowhere but Arky is recruiting alot of OOS students. Hell for that Matter Clemson is in the sticks. But Arkys marketing is huge esp on Texas. Clemson recruits heavily in the NE US. We used to call Clemson New Jersey school of engineering. It's always about what the schools do in the marketing dept and now social media.

[BuckyIsAB****]

D and only because I do think the kids tried to continue to play hard for he most part. But hes not the guy and im pretty much out and have been since Toledo. There is way too much smoke to the discipline issues and keeping Hutzler

[BuckyIsAB****]

Ridiculous to give him any higher than an F. 2-10 (worse than any year Croom ever had), 0-8 in the SEC (never even had a single-digit loss), got completely dominated and humiliated by a 7-5 MAC team, full of moments of incredible stupidity, low football IQ, and boneheadedness. There's just not a single positive to take away from this season, not a single glimmer of hope or optimism looking at the future.

I get that Arnett left him in a bind with the talent, but there's no excuse to be this disgraceful. NIL and the Portal are leading to non-prestigious programs all over the country being much more competitive with the Elites and reinventing themselves over one offseason. It could have been us too, but instead we are the worst Power Conference team by a significant margin (other than maybe Purdue?).

And why are we in this situation? Because our lazy Athletic Director promised us a national search and then just hired his buddy who no head coaching experience, a guy that our fans already disliked from his years at Ole Miss, and who had some ... baggage ... that prevented any other school from ever hiring him as a head coach.

We're stuck with him for one more year, but without some kind of shocking turnaround, we'll be looking for a new head coach a year from now.

Correct. The nepotism has been so strong at State since Leach passed. It?s why we are here. Laziness and nepotism

[BuckyIsAB****]

If Lebby doesn't make the correct decisions in the offseason we could be looking at a Chad Morris situation here.

It?s definitely a chad morris situation. He only suspended craver because he had no choice. Craver embarrassed him at Tennessee and missed workouts the week after and nothing was done. It leaked out and he had no choice. I?m just telling y?all, he is a frat boy and our practices are as close to a party as you can get

[DownwardDawg]

Easy F