Grade the job Lebby did as head coach in 2024.

[NCDawg]

Tell me who our "core returning talent" is? Outside of Coleman and Smith who could start for another SEC team?

Probably Stone Blanton, but I agree with you. We didn't need to hire an "on the job training" AD, and an "on the job training" Head Football coach..

[MoreCowbell]

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[maroonmania]

F and I saw this coming after Toledo, as I predicted Tech and 10 to my late SuperDog Dad. What, if anything was the building of a foundation in this joke of a season? Arnett and his merry band went 5-7 and were less incompetent than this. First season since 2002 without a SEC win. Every team on our schedule in 2025 will have us circled as a win including OOC foes and why shouldn't they? Going to be plenty of season tickets available next year in prime seating areas.

I would grade the whole university from the President down with an F relative to football. Everybody involved is doing on the job training and just trying to figure things out. No wonder we are such a cluster. I would call us "Training Wheels" university. We have a President that hires an AD who has never been an AD before. Then that AD hires a head football coach who has never been a college head coach before. And then that head coach hires a defensive coordinator who has never been a defensive coordinator before. And that's just on top of having the most inexperienced overall football coaching staff in the SEC (and maybe the country). We really aren't even acting like a school that has any serious intention of trying to win.

[Quaoarsking]

Guys, it's Lebby's fault that the roster was as "bad" as it is. Who cares how well a better coach would have done with this roster? A "better coach" wouldn't have had this bad of a roster in the first place.

That's like me saying that, sure I got an F on my exam, but I didn't study, and not many people would have done better without studying. Who cares? It's my own fault that I didn't study and put myself in that position to begin with!

I know that a lot of you don't like the NIL and the portal, but that doesn't mean you can just wish it away and pretend that the only way to turn a bad roster into a good one is to spend years recruiting and developing. That's just not the world we live in anymore, and there are plenty of examples of teams doing a one-offseason turnaround by using those tools.

[MoreCowbell]

I was not concerned with W/L this year because we were going to be awful no matter what. I wanted to see buy in and improvement. Find your young guys on offense you want to build around. Get better and do the same in 2025 on defensive side of ball. Then get to 6 wins in 2026. That needs to be the realistic big picture goal and I am sure that is close to his plan.

He did step 1 for the most part.

[Coach34]

SC was supposed to suck and people questioned their talent even saying their best LB transferred to us. People were saying he was most likely to be fired this year. Their coach is a Clemson win away from SEC coach of the year. They have a freshman QB also

Our talent level falls on Lebby also

[Quaoarsking]

I was not concerned with W/L this year because we were going to be awful no matter what. I wanted to see buy in and improvement. Find your young guys on offense you want to build around. Get better and do the same in 2025 on defensive side of ball. Then get to 6 wins in 2026. That needs to be the realistic big picture goal and I am sure that is close to his plan.

He did step 1 for the most part.

He damn well better be at 6-6 in 2025 if he wants to be the coach in 2026. We all have to adjust to the new college football reality.

[Coach34]

He damn well better be at 6-6 in 2025 if he wants to be the coach in 2026. We all have to adjust to the new college football reality.

Unless he pulls another 2-10, he will be the HC in 2026. 3 years min outside another cluster. AD is not firing his buddy after 2 years

[Quaoarsking]

AD is not firing his buddy after 2 years

Well, that may be true, but he needs to be bowling next year to deserve another year as our coach. Can you imagine how dead our atmosphere will be in 2026 if Lebby flops again in 2025 and is brought back for 2026 anyway?

[MoreCowbell]

Well, that may be true, but he needs to be bowling next year to deserve another year as our coach. Can you imagine how dead our atmosphere will be in 2026 if Lebby flops again in 2025 and is brought back for 2026 anyway?

That is not realistic though. He will have done a great job to get us to 6 wins in 2026 if he can pull it off. The program is in a terrible position. The timing of things and landscape of college football has made it even more of an uphill battle for us. He will get 3 years minimum.

[Pinto]

Yall are retarded if you think a coach can come in one week before the portal opens and get the pick of the litter. Portal deals for next season are already done. It?s all back room deals.

This season is an audit for Lebby. No grade given, and the class is to learn the material to be ready for next year when it actually counts.

This portal class, off season, high school recruiting class, and 2025 season is the material he will be graded upon.

[Walkerhill]

This is year 4 for Shane Beamer. He has had multiple years to build a roster and had the full cycle to influence their recruiting and transfer portal classes over multiple years. That is totally different, right?

[Coach34]

Well, that may be true, but he needs to be bowling next year to deserve another year as our coach. Can you imagine how dead our atmosphere will be in 2026 if Lebby flops again in 2025 and is brought back for 2026 anyway?

No more dead than it will next August. There is no reason to be excited about next year right now. I've been saying NIL killed this program. Prices are only going up. We arent going to pull some big portals to generate any excitement for 2025

[Coach34]

This is year 4 for Shane Beamer. He has had multiple years to build a roster and had the full cycle to influence their recruiting and transfer portal classes over multiple years. That is totally different, right?

The point was he was supposed to suck this year in Y4 which is why people said he had the hottest seat in the SEC this season. What did he do under that pressure?

[schddog72]

Due to the hand he was given, It was a solid C until 1st and goal inside the 1 tonight. Now, it?s a F

THIS!! Even if he'd been an A or B before, I would have dropped him down at least 2 grades based on that goal-line sequence today. Three straight crappy play calls after first and goal got stuffed.

[MBDawg601]

People acting like we have shit talent.

Since Leach - top 25-30 recruiting classes. Similar talent level to Arkansas. Please stop acting like we have had classes in the 50s and 60s. There is some talent on this roster - plenty enough to compete in the SEC and plenty enough to run Toledo out of our own stadium. Coaching and evaluating the current roster is why we went 2-10.

[DEDawg]

That's pre-Portal/NIL thinking. The world is different now.

Nah man. You're wrong. You can't flip a roster in Dec after going through 2 coaching changes in 12 months, 1 of which was a one and done and the other built the roster for an offense nobody else in the country runs.

[Activated Alpha]

Coaching staff get an F. Don't know much about Sermon to give a grade, but Keenum deserves to be sent to alternative school or expelled for his incompetence.

[Quaoarsking]

That is not realistic though. He will have done a great job to get us to 6 wins in 2026 if he can pull it off. The program is in a terrible position. The timing of things and landscape of college football has made it even more of an uphill battle for us. He will get 3 years minimum.

Every Power Four non-elite program's fanbase except us loves the NIL and the Portal because it's closing the gap between them and the elites. What are we not figuring out that everyone else is?

[DEDawg]

Certainly was an F

To your point- every school in the country starts with NIL in acquiring free agents. He had already been apart of seeing payers while at OU. Recruiting transfers after the season is short term recruiting for 98% of players. Terrible job in Y1 for Lebbo

Wrong, but what's new.