Piggies game

[HoopsDawg]

314 rushing, 317 passing, total 631 yards and 51 points. 17.

Is that bad?

[Bothrops]

It really won't be relevant either way. Year 1 has been an abject failure.

I think the rebuild starts next year when we win 4 games.

[HoopsDawg]

And P.S. the uniforms look like shat.

[Matt3467]

Like who? We had little talent on D wen Leach was here. He lived off Moorheads recruits till they ran out.

We had 5 OL recruits in '22 and 4 are on other teams. The only one left is Jackson Lahue.

Percy Lewis - AU
Steven Losoya - Vandy
Lucas Taylor - South Ala
Jackson Cannon - Toledo

6 recruited in '21 and 2 playing elsewhere.
4 recruited in '20 and 2 playing elsewhere.

Out of 15 OL recruits from Leach's tenure over half have left the team.
If you credit him for '23 as well then half of those left too.

[RockyDog]

Facts are on the field. Rankings don't mean crap. We got bad defensive players, and OL. That is fact. You gonna dispute our OL and D was not bad in year 4 and 5?

Exactly. Leach crooted quarterbacks and receivers where all the starz are. He didn?t give a crap about other positions. By god he had his linemen in giant ass splits to cover their deficiencies.

For all the receptions Woody had, he didn?t break off any like Booth did today because there was no movement in Leach?s offense. Opponents knew by the way we lined up where those 5 yard passes were going.

[HoopsDawg]

Looks like Adidas gave our Dlinemen skates instead of cleats. Wow. 4 guys got smoked.

[RockyDog]

We had 5 OL recruits in '22 and 4 are on other teams. The only one left is Jackson Lahue.

Percy Lewis - AU
Steven Losoya - Vandy
Lucas Taylor - South Ala
Jackson Cannon - Toledo

6 recruited in '21 and 2 playing elsewhere.
4 recruited in '20 and 2 playing elsewhere.

Out of 15 OL recruits from Leach's tenure over half have left the team.
If you credit him for '23 as well then half of those left too.

And Lahue is basically a trainer now. His career is over

[EdwardDrayton]

I think the rebuild starts next year when we win 4 games.

We really can't have much in the way of expectations for the foreseeable future. This is not short-term fixable.

[R2Dawg]

The problem as I see it,
The entire defense and our OL. Get different guys.

Somewhat, there are some guys I'd keep D, we need depth. Isaac Smith has been all SEC. There are a few young guys I keep too.

[R2Dawg]

We really can't have much in the way of expectations for the foreseeable future. This is not short-term fixable.

We have talent in spots; in the transfer era I think it can be if we have the right coaches.

[RockyDog]

Pittman took out his bitch tits and made Lebby suckle on them today. That’s gotta be worse than someone dragging their nuts across his face.

[R2Dawg]

We had 5 OL recruits in '22 and 4 are on other teams. The only one left is Jackson Lahue.

Percy Lewis - AU
Steven Losoya - Vandy
Lucas Taylor - South Ala
Jackson Cannon - Toledo

6 recruited in '21 and 2 playing elsewhere.
4 recruited in '20 and 2 playing elsewhere.

Out of 15 OL recruits from Leach's tenure over half have left the team.
If you credit him for '23 as well then half of those left too.

South AL and Toledo - you just made my point. that is just transfer portal trash. Same with others. Any of them all conf? No. We got some transfer players too, so what.

[Bothrops]

We really can't have much in the way of expectations for the foreseeable future. This is not short-term fixable.

That's true in the traditional sense. Now we have the portal and NIL shit where we don't know if we can build anything before it gets washed out again. We may be stuck winning 2-5 games a year regardless of who the coach is.

[Coursesuper]

We really can't have much in the way of expectations for the foreseeable future. This is not short-term fixable.

Nothing but the truth in that statement. This is 17ed as a football bat.

[Matt3467]

South AL and Toledo - you just made my point. that is just transfer portal trash. Same with others. Any of them all conf? No. We got some transfer players too, so what.

I'll take Toledo's Oline right now. They manhandled us. Losoya is playing well at Vandy. Lewis is AUs starting LT. So what? Worst case they're depth.

Transfer players? Those are some of the ones that left too.

[EdwardDrayton]

That's true in the traditional sense. Now we have the portal and NIL shit where we don't know if we can build anything before it gets washed out again. We may be stuck winning 2-5 games a year regardless of who the coach is.

We've already seen we can't keep quality players even when we can pay. With the state of the team, it will make attracting and keeping almost impossible.

[Bothrops]

Pittman took out his bitch tits and made Lebby suckle on them today. That’s gotta be worse than someone dragging their nuts across his face.

Arkansas has never been as bad on the either side of the line as we are this year.

[Turfdawg67]

Like who? We had little talent on D wen Leach was here. He lived off Moorheads recruits till they ran out.

This isn't 2004. Buy new players and move on. If we are still a "developmental" program, we'll never be good again. Are you seriously this na?ve or just hate Leach that much?? If we are a developmental program, Bama, UGA and the like will just use us as a minor league team until they can poach us.

[Bothrops]

This isn't 2004. Buy new players and move on. If we are still a "developmental" program, we'll never be good again. Are you seriously this na?ve or just hate Leach that much?? If we are a developmental program, Bama, UGA and the like will just use us as a minor league team until they can poach us.

My point exactly. Might as well pick one of those teams and become a farm team for them. With their logo on our plastic

[R2Dawg]

This isn't 2004. Buy new players and move on. If we are still a "developmental" program, we'll never be good again. Are you seriously this na?ve or just hate Leach that much?? If we are a developmental program, Bama, UGA and the like will just use us as a minor league team until they can poach us.

Buying new players don't solve nohthing. We bought new players.

I don't hate Leach. I like Leach. Hate his offense and what that and his lack of recruiting did to MSU. I love MSU, you love Leach. Why do you hate MSU so much? Do you like 1 of 3 winning seasons?