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    NET jumps from 44 to 35

    Not sure how a Quad 3 road win got us that much traction but that's a massive jump for us.

    What it tells me is the metrics like us and that we still I think can get a 6/7 seed if we can find ways to win 3 of the 4 unranked games and get 1 of the games against a ranked team.

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    Rutgers jumped 13 spots to #86; that seems like part of it

    Arizona state jumped 7 spots for win at Utah

    ETA... big games today
    Penn state at NW (-8.5)
    North Texas at SMU (-5.5)
    Tulane at Memphis (-8.5)
    Last edited by msstate7; 02-11-2024 at 08:10 AM.

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    #35 net
    #33 kenpom
    #32 rpi
    #35 BPI

    We're putting together a solid resume

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    #35 net
    #33 kenpom
    #32 rpi
    #35 BPI

    We're putting together a solid resume
    I think people talk way too much about the Southern game and not nearly enough about Auburn and Tennessee.

    Tournament resumes are built on what you can do. And we've proven that we can beat two of the top teams in the country.

    Right now we aren't a bubble team. We are fairly solidly in with every metric out there. Probably a 9 seed right now. And we've got more opportunities to prove what we can do.

    Also, we became a Quad 1 win for Alabama, South Carolina, Ole Miss, Kentucky, and Florida last night by moving to 35.

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    If we can just hold serve, win the one's that we're supposed(OM, ARK, SC), not get blown out in the two road games we'll be underdogs(Aub, A&M), and split the two toss ups(UK, @LSU), then we'll be safely in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msudawg1200 View Post
    If we can just hold serve, win the one's that we're supposed(OM, ARK, SC), not get blown out in the two road games we'll be underdogs(Aub, A&M), and split the two toss ups(UK, @LSU), then we'll be safely in.
    Here's BPI win % for rest of schedule...
    Ark 88.7%
    OM 77.6%
    LSU 56.0%
    Kentucky 60.8%
    Auburn 14.6%
    aTm 21.5%
    SC 73.6%

    According to BPI, we have a decent shot at pulling it off
    Last edited by msstate7; 02-11-2024 at 09:20 AM.

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    I think we win all of our home games and one of the 3 on the road. UK is falling apart. USC will be tough but double dipping with home baseball that weekend should make for a helluva crowd.

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    I just can’t count UK as a win because we have only beat them once since Cal was there and that was in the SEC tournament during the COVID year when they had a losing overall record. Until we prove we can beat a tournament based UK team I just have to chalk that up as a loss. That being said, I think we win the other home games including USCe. That means the LSU game probably becomes the biggest game out there. We did a good job the last 2 games taking care of business. Now if we win these next 3 I think we have a solid shot at 9-9 and probably an 8 seed

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    Quote Originally Posted by MetEdDawg View Post
    I think people talk way too much about the Southern game and not nearly enough about Auburn and Tennessee
    Tennessee and Auburn helped make up for Southern, but if we hadn't lost that Southern game our NET is most likely 25-28, and we are being projected as 6-7 seed instead of a 10-11. That loss has hurt us bad.

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    If we take 3 out of the next 4 we be in. We need to beat OM here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msudawg1200 View Post
    Tennessee and Auburn helped make up for Southern, but if we hadn't lost that Southern game our NET is most likely 25-28, and we are being projected as 6-7 seed instead of a 10-11. That loss has hurt us bad.
    And if we beat southern, but lose to one of Auburn/tenn, we'd be in the same position. I guess my point is both happened, and it's time to just let it go.

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    Committee will also view us as pre-Tolu/with Tolu
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    Quote Originally Posted by msudawg1200 View Post
    Tennessee and Auburn helped make up for Southern, but if we hadn't lost that Southern game our NET is most likely 25-28, and we are being projected as 6-7 seed instead of a 10-11. That loss has hurt us bad.
    Can you show your work on the NET calculation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quaoarsking View Post
    Can you show your work on the NET calculation?
    I don't even think the NET calculators know NET calculation, but I've got enough damn sense to know if we don't lose to a team around 200 in NET we'd be 5-10 spots higher. If you can't figure that out, then I don't know what to tell you. Why some of you can't accept that the Southern loss was awful, and possibly the worst loss in modern school history, and has made it way tougher on our tournament resume is a mystery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by msudawg1200 View Post
    I don't even think the NET calculators know NET calculation, but I've got enough damn sense to know if we don't lose to a team around 200 in NET we'd be 5-10 spots higher. If you can't figure that out, then I don't know what to tell you. Why some of you can't accept that the Southern loss was awful, and possibly the worst loss in modern school history, and has made it way tougher on our tournament resume is a mystery.
    No one is disagreeing that the loss to Southern is bad for our resume and hurts our NET, but unless you can show your work, I don't know what the point of just claiming what the NET would be had we won. Why wouldn't our NET be 24? Or 30? Or 32? Or 20? And given that offensive and defensive efficiency are components of the formula, it would depend on exactly how we won that game anyway.

    Maybe it's just a personality difference between you and me, but I would never just throw a number out there and assert it as fact unless I could back it up mathematically. Back in the day, I built an RPI spreadsheet in Excel, matched it up against the official RPI numbers, and then I could quote exactly what a win or loss would do to our ranking. I've never found an exact formula to do that for NET, but I would like to.

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    People forget the teams around us also play games, so sometimes a jump or fall is more due to the teams around us winning or losing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quaoarsking View Post
    No one is disagreeing that the loss to Southern is bad for our resume and hurts our NET, but unless you can show your work, I don't know what the point of just claiming what the NET would be had we won. Why wouldn't our NET be 24? Or 30? Or 32? Or 20? And given that offensive and defensive efficiency are components of the formula, it would depend on exactly how we won that game anyway.

    Maybe it's just a personality difference between you and me, but I would never just throw a number out there and assert it as fact unless I could back it up mathematically. Back in the day, I built an RPI spreadsheet in Excel, matched it up against the official RPI numbers, and then I could quote exactly what a win or loss would do to our ranking. I've never found an exact formula to do that for NET, but I would like to.
    Yep, anybody old enough to remember Mr. Temple in Calculus classes? He always demanded, on every problem ---

    Given:

    To Find:

    Show your work.

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    Pretty disappointing that north Texas couldn't hold on today for a big win

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    North Texas will eventually fall to a quad 3 win by seasons end. At the same time I think Northwestern will move up to a quad 1 win. Wazzu will end up border line

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