7 errors in baseball scrimmage

[Coach34]

I'd have to disagree. If they make a Regional as a 2 seed and go 2 and Q, he needs a new hobby. We have had years where 10 SEC teams made a Regional. Not as big of an accomplishment as you make it out to be.

What if we make a regional as the 2 seed and win the mf'er? The postseason is a new season. Saying we host or fire him is f'ing stupid

[Coach34]

What if we are a #2 and lose in the Regional final? Basically makes us Top 32. You fire him for being one of the best 32 teams in the country?

No. No you dont. Stop being stupid

[The Federalist Engineer]

No chance is gonna play left. So it won't be him.

To beat Bryce Chance, the challengers got to hit 250 in the SEC and 350 in other games. That's assuming that Chance has not continued to develop and improve his game. Seems to be a resourceful high IQ player. We expect more from Hujsak, Stevens, and Downs. They should be more competitive versus upper echelons of SEC pitching. In Conference, Chance only K'ed 8 times to 6 BB versus SEC in 34 ABs. Hujsak 6k in 23 ABs and no walks, lower average. Downs K'ed 7 times in 13 ABs no BB, way lower average. Stevens and Downs have Tanner Allen, top recruit pedigree. Stevens is expected to be a huge star, hopefully replaces Kellum Clark's 2023 production.

OF:

(1) Jordan (Locked)
------------ known star Level -------
(2) Hujsak (Big praise, big Summer)
------------- more than 150 D1 At Bats --------
(3) Stevens (6-3 elite Freshman recruit, 1B also, broken hand in Fall)
-------------- Elite level New Comer --------
(4) Chance (best overall numbers for a returning player, only hit 230 in the SEC but kills non SEC pitchers.)
------------- known Experienced Player ----------
(5) Mackenzie Jackson (6-3 freshman recruit, 1B also)
(6) Rives Reynolds (6-3 freshman recruit, highly praised from practice)
(7) Brett House (6-4 freshman recruit, power body)
------------ The Freshmen --------

Wildcard

A- Aaron Downs (huge recruit in 2021, up there with Brady Tygart and Hunter Elliott) was supposed to be an infielder only 57 MSU at bats in two years and 9 starts on two remarkably bad teams. Maybe just injury?
B- Can Mershon, Kohler, or Larry play OF?

[The Federalist Engineer]

What if we make a regional as the 2 seed and win the mf'er? The postseason is a new season. Saying we host or fire him is f'ing stupid

I don't think it's stupid, much less f' stupid. That's an opinion of a Lemonis fan. I guess you like him.

[Todd4State]

No chance is gonna play left. So it won't be him.

I agree. But in the scenario I was asked about we aren't taking out Hines bat. And if we start Mershon and Cupp in the MIF I don't see us taking Larry's bat out either- meaning LF for him. We aren't taking out Dakota Jordan obviously and I can't see us taking out Hujsack. We aren't going to put Chance at first base. So....

But it's a nothingburger because we both know Hines is going to start at first base and will be fine and the scenario presented to me isn't going to happen anyway so it's all moot.

[Todd4State]

Top 10 classes, missing Hoover 2 straight years, and making he field of 64 is acceptable to you? The tournament = bring him back?

Top 10 classes to make the field of 64... what a waste of potential

How low our standards have fallen

"Our" standards haven't fallen at all. The expectation is and always has been Omaha for our program and a SR appearance at worst. The last two seasons haven't been up to our standard so Chris must get the team to that standard this year or I do think we move on from him. We've given him a fair opportunity and he has replaced his pitching coach. He has recruited well so the talent is here and in the pipe. But the development on the pitching side has been D3 level at best. And that's probably being nice.

The only exception to the above would be if he won the SEC regular season or the SEC Tournament or we did well enough to host a regional and then got upset in a regional. I can't see us moving on from Chris if any one of those three things happen. Something like that would probably involve some serious "that's baseball" going on in the regional.

Expectations are too high here to be OK with just making a regional and our recent history from 2016-2021 shows our true potential as a baseball program.

[SpaceBully]

Question is did 3rd base defense improve any with the new Memphis transfer who's supposed to be better than Alford. Maybe all those errors teleported themselves over to 1B and Hines.

[Homedawg]

I think you inadvertently created a new nickname- "No Chance"

Ha, meant no, Chance is going to play left.

[Homedawg]

To beat Bryce Chance, the challengers got to hit 250 in the SEC and 350 in other games. That's assuming that Chance has not continued to develop and improve his game. Seems to be a resourceful high IQ player. We expect more from Hujsak, Stevens, and Downs. They should be more competitive versus upper echelons of SEC pitching. In Conference, Chance only K'ed 8 times to 6 BB versus SEC in 34 ABs. Hujsak 6k in 23 ABs and no walks, lower average. Downs K'ed 7 times in 13 ABs no BB, way lower average. Stevens and Downs have Tanner Allen, top recruit pedigree. Stevens is expected to be a huge star, hopefully replaces Kellum Clark's 2023 production.

OF:

(1) Jordan (Locked)
------------ known star Level -------
(2) Hujsak (Big praise, big Summer)
------------- more than 150 D1 At Bats --------
(3) Stevens (6-3 elite Freshman recruit, 1B also, broken hand in Fall)
-------------- Elite level New Comer --------
(4) Chance (best overall numbers for a returning player, only hit 230 in the SEC but kills non SEC pitchers.)
------------- known Experienced Player ----------
(5) Mackenzie Jackson (6-3 freshman recruit, 1B also)
(6) Rives Reynolds (6-3 freshman recruit, highly praised from practice)
(7) Brett House (6-4 freshman recruit, power body)
------------ The Freshmen --------

Wildcard

A- Aaron Downs (huge recruit in 2021, up there with Brady Tygart and Hunter Elliott) was supposed to be an infielder only 57 MSU at bats in two years and 9 starts on two remarkably bad teams. Maybe just injury?
B- Can Mershon, Kohler, or Larry play OF?

Reynolds is out for the year

[basedog]

No doubt about this year for our team and Lemonis, do or die, we should be better but how much is the question in the Sec. There are some teams ahead of us that are loaded.

Two keys for the year, defense and pitching which has been as bad as I can recall over the years. No excuses this year!

[Coach34]

I don't think it's stupid, much less f' stupid. That's an opinion of a Lemonis fan. I guess you like him.

I’m not a Lemon fan. Just using common sense. He has to produce this year or he’s gone. But making the Tourney and ending up in Regional final making us Top 32 at the end is not where you choose to fire someone. I think we have the talent to be in a Super or better. We’ll see how it shakes out pretty soon

[The Federalist Engineer]

Reynolds is out for the year

A freshman we are not talking about is Dotson. No scrimmage notes that I can recall. He was the 4th highest rated recruit.

[Ranchdawg]

A couple of other items I want to see from Lemon coached team. The team have some fire in their performance like dirt bags. The team look prepared for the game. The starting pitchers go deeper in the game than 3 or 4 innings before going to the pen. And for sure making the SEC tourney and be a decent seed in a regional.

The last two seasons I haven?t seen that fire from the coaching staff and the players. Time to tell some players to take responsibility for their play. And for Lemon to get his a#& off his bucket and act like he?s at least concerned about the lack of play in the games.

[Todd4State]

A freshman we are not talking about is Dotson. No scrimmage notes that I can recall. He was the 4th highest rated recruit.

Dotson could be a legit dual position player for us. Not sure if he helps at the plate this year but he can help us on the mound.

[Todd4State]

A couple of other items I want to see from Lemon coached team. The team have some fire in their performance like dirt bags. The team look prepared for the game. The starting pitchers go deeper in the game than 3 or 4 innings before going to the pen. And for sure making the SEC tourney and be a decent seed in a regional.

The last two seasons I haven?t seen that fire from the coaching staff and the players. Time to tell some players to take responsibility for their play. And for Lemon to get his a#& off his bucket and act like he?s at least concerned about the lack of play in the games.

It's hard to have swag when you know your pitching staff is about to give up 10+.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

"Our" standards haven't fallen at all. The expectation is and always has been Omaha for our program and a SR appearance at worst. The last two seasons haven't been up to our standard so Chris must get the team to that standard this year or I do think we move on from him. We've given him a fair opportunity and he has replaced his pitching coach. He has recruited well so the talent is here and in the pipe. But the development on the pitching side has been D3 level at best. And that's probably being nice.

The only exception to the above would be if he won the SEC regular season or the SEC Tournament or we did well enough to host a regional and then got upset in a regional. I can't see us moving on from Chris if any one of those three things happen. Something like that would probably involve some serious "that's baseball" going on in the regional.

Expectations are too high here to be OK with just making a regional and our recent history from 2016-2021 shows our true potential as a baseball program.

See you still have the "standard". I agree with your assessment. But I was replying to a comment that said "if we make the tournament, he's safe"

[Coach34]

See you still have the "standard". I agree with your assessment. But I was replying to a comment that said "if we make the tournament, he's safe"

It's just a view and many people's view is skewed. Many people dont realize we had a winning record last season. We struggled in SEC play because of youth on the pitching staff. That's not the case in 2024. We should make a big jump this Spring

[smootness]

I’m not a Lemon fan. Just using common sense. He has to produce this year or he’s gone. But making the Tourney and ending up in Regional final making us Top 32 at the end is not where you choose to fire someone. I think we have the talent to be in a Super or better. We’ll see how it shakes out pretty soon

You can not judge this season on its own. You have to factor in his entire tenure. Yes, he won the title. He also missed the tourney and not by a little 2 years in a row. We have been BAD for 2 years. Top 32 is not good enough after that. And especially if we have a team that in your opinion is capable of a Super or better. I would not set an ultimatum, but we need to be good this year or there is no point in keeping a coach who clearly can not cut it.

[Coach34]

You can not judge this season on its own. You have to factor in his entire tenure. Yes, he won the title. He also missed the tourney and not by a little 2 years in a row. We have been BAD for 2 years. Top 32 is not good enough after that. And especially if we have a team that in your opinion is capable of a Super or better. I would not set an ultimatum, but we need to be good this year or there is no point in keeping a coach who clearly can not cut it.

We had crushing injuries in 2022
We were young in 2023 on the mound.

It's pretty easy to evaluate and see whats going on. We have a ridiculous conference schedule so hosting is unlikely. But this team playing well and being top 32 is a good season and shows we are on the right path. Recruiting remains strong. He made the change at PC and people are singing those praises. They absolutely love Parker. Win or be gone.

[smootness]

We had crushing injuries in 2022
We were young in 2023 on the mound.

It's pretty easy to evaluate and see whats going on. We have a ridiculous conference schedule so hosting is unlikely. But this team playing well and being top 32 is a good season and shows we are on the right path. Recruiting remains strong. He made the change at PC and people are singing those praises. They absolutely love Parker. Win or be gone.

Excuses are just that. Being young on the mound is not an excuse for running out a flat out terrible team last year. Being top 32 does not show we are on the right path. That would be a meh year for MSU baseball, after two terrible ones. Terrible/terrible/meh is a bad enough stretch for MSU baseball, given where the program was before that, to be fired even after winning a national title. If recruiting has been and remains strong, then we should be winning. No excuses.