Just a reminder to all you guys

[CadaverDawg]

You don't hold people to a standard that they shouldn't rape, shouldn't tolerate rapists, and should do everything reasonably within their power to not enable further rape? That's the stance you just took? That's the moral stance I'm taking that you're calling stupid. Please think before you make this next post.

Was Lebby not cleared of any wrong doing? I'm genuinely asking.

[DownwardDawg]

I can dislike a man, but like the way he coaches and wins football games.

Me too. I think he's an immature punk. Selmon is a *****. But I can love the offense and the team. I'm a State grad and a State fan. I don't fall in love with coaches and AD's. I work with an ole miss fan. He absolutely hates Kiffin. But he loves winning.

[CoachT14]

You don't hold people to a standard that they shouldn't rape, shouldn't tolerate rapists, and should do everything reasonably within their power to not enable further rape? That's the stance you just took? That's the moral stance I'm taking that you're calling stupid. Please think before you make this next post.

You need to take a break from the keyboard for awhile Karen.

[CoachT14]

Was Lebby not cleared of any wrong doing? I'm genuinely asking.

He was. As was Art recently. But I ain?t getting into that.

[EdwardDrayton]

Oh I really like Lebby?s offense. Hope he does well if he?s the guy.

But he wasn?t in the Top 5 when this started. And if you miss on 5 or more targets- you aren?t the job your fans think you are

And that's not a fan problem, that's because folks aren't doing their jobs.

[BeardoMSU]

He was. As was Art recently. But I ain?t getting into that.

Art WAS NOT in fact cleared of all wrong doing. It was 1 case.

Let's not hijack this thread.

Jeff is not Art. Leave it at that.

[DEDawg]

Question: did anyone from the hiring process (Selmon, Keenum, prominent booster) say we were targeting a HC? I have heard that a lot on here but I don?t know if that necessarily reflects the actual decision makers. Maybe Clark knows he has good info

[CoachT14]

Art WAS NOT in fact cleared of all wrong doing. It was 1 case.

Let's not hijack this thread.

Jeff is not Art. Leave it at that.

That?s why I said it wasn?t getting into it

[HoopsDawg]

lol

ahh, the classic lol retort. In other words, you don't know sh!t. But we already knew that.

[Thick]

Dude you need to chill out. We haven't hired him yet and he's been hired by multiple P5 programs.

Bc we haven?t had a QB that could throw a pass 40 yds in the air for awhile!

[woof]

Anyone who automatically calls it a bad hide has no idea what they are talking about and are simply pissed at Art Briles.

I?ll repost the staff.
Lebby?s possible staff here

Offensive Staff:
OC/QB - Kendall Briles (maybe)
If not:
Co-OC/TE- Joe Jon Finley
Co-OC/QB - Jon David Baker
(One of the 2 above would not be on staff if Briles comes, Baker is current PGC/TE coach at Ole Miss)
OL - Randy Clements or Jake Thornton
WR - Bump or L?Damian Washington or Tucker (below)
RB - Anthony Tucker or Dino Babers

Defensive Staff:
DC/LB - DJ Durkin
DL - David Turner
Co-DC/OLB/STC - Coleman Hutzler
CB - T-Buck
S - J-Wash

I'm not pissed at Art Briles and don't hate him. Actually, at some point, an SEC or ACC or Sun belt school, will probably hire him and all will be forgotten (just like Freeze). My only negative on Lebby is, can he run an entire SEC program and not just an Offense?

I love his offense but can he run his type of offense with 3 star MS players at MSU (he can run it with OU talent of course very well). Can he develop players, can he recruit, can he oversee/manage Defensive coaches, Special Teams coaches, Strength Conditioning coaches, recruiting, marketing MSU to the media in a positive/energetic way (not woe is msu poor msu traditional mind-set), can he sell this football program to MS players and SEC area recruits?

These are my bigger concerns about Lebby. We have just experienced a good/great DC transitioning to a head coach which turned out to be a huge failure (Arnett). We can't have another re-peat of another failure again...

[EdwardDrayton]

So we can't pull a coach we really want. So who's responsible for this predicament.

And oh by the way OM got the top name they wanted and he gave them back to back ten win seasons.

This is not a fan over expectation. We are not getting the results we're paying for from the people in charge.

[Lance Harbor]

You must be very familiar with this type of scenario.

Oh I really like Lebby?s offense. Hope he does well if he?s the guy.

But he wasn?t in the Top 5 when this started. And if you miss on 5 or more targets- you aren?t the job your fans think you are

[CoachT14]

I'm not pissed at Art Briles and don't hate him. Actually, at some point, an SEC or ACC or Sun belt school, will probably hire him and all will be forgotten (just like Freeze). My only negative on Lebby is, can he run an entire SEC program and not just an Offense?

I love his offense but can he run his type of offense with 3 star MS players at MSU (he can run it with OU talent of course very well). Can he develop players, can he recruit, can he oversee/manage Defensive coaches, Special Teams coaches, Strength Conditioning coaches, recruiting, marketing MSU to the media in a positive/energetic way (not woe is msu poor msu traditional mind-set), can he sell this football program to MS players and SEC area recruits?

These are my bigger concerns about Lebby. We have just experienced a good/great DC transitioning to a head coach which turned out to be a huge failure (Arnett). We can't have another re-peat of another failure again...

I think with his connections he will hire a staff of people around him that will help.

It can?t hurt having Art on speed dial.

[Really Clark?]

He was. As was Art recently. But I ain?t getting into that.

Art wasn't cleared. They had to settle with 16 other women. The gross negligence claim against him and McCraw was dismissed on 1 case but the lawsuit was lost and the woman won. She was the one who lied in court contradicting her previous deposition under oath about what she told Lebby.

[CoachT14]

Art wasn't cleared. They had to settle with 16 other women. The gross negligence claim against him and McCraw was dismissed on 1 case but the lawsuit was lost and the woman won. She was the one who lied in court contradicting her previous deposition under oath about what she told Lebby.

Again my point was Lebby has been hired by 4 big time programs since then. He isn?t involved and folks clutching their pearls about him need to get over it

[Tater]

Was Lebby not cleared of any wrong doing? I'm genuinely asking.

This is where the binary nature of "guilty / not guilty" doesn't paint you a picture. To answer your question, no Lebby has not stood trial and been "cleared". By all accounts, there is no coach at Baylor from 2012-2015 that is "clear". That would mean proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that person did everything they could right. That's not feasible and you would be right in saying that's an unfair standard to hold someone to.

Our legal system instead looks to prove someone guilty (rather than innocent) beyond a shadow of a doubt. This means that if it's black (guilty) then it's black. If it's white then it's white. If it's gray then it's white. Every coach is firmly in the gray area at best. Art's had a couple of lawsuits where he's been dark grey but since it's not black it's white. Baylor has settled several other cases.

It goes further then for the public opinion to make their decision. Do you want to sit on morals and trust in black and white? That's your right. And Lebby has not ever been proven guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt.

But double digit women have come forward and reported the rape-enablement and encouragement culture at Baylor. Meanwhile Jeff consistently PUBLICLY defends Art. It's a pretty easy conclusion to draw where Lebby stands morally in the wake of this. He dismisses the seriousness of what happened. He avidly defends his father in law for having done nothing wrong when Baylor has paid several women for their silence.

You can call my logic taking a leap. But I'm not a court of law. I'm a person with common sense. I won't have my
daughter go near Ole Miss, OU, UCF, SeLa, Baylor, or any other school that let a known wolf into their house who was part of that culture. No one should have to experience the profound pain that occurs when being raped. It's not a joke. It's not something to dismiss.

Jeff Lebby has consistently dismissed and downplayed the significance of what happened. I have 0 faith in his ability to lead young men to become good men. Football is important. Some things are more important.

[Quaoarsking]

Again my point was Lebby has been hired by 4 big time programs since then. He isn?t involved and folks clutching their pearls about him need to get over it

He didn't bring Art Briles onto the sideline until the 4th one though, and he better on his 5th if that's us. As long as he understands that, it should be fine.

[bulldawg28]

So we can't pull a coach we really want. So who's responsible for this predicament.

And oh by the way OM got the top name they wanted and he gave them back to back ten win seasons.

This is not a fan over expectation. We are not getting the results we're paying for from the people in charge.

There's always more than one answer to these sorts of problems. Very few schools get their top choice. Lane wasn't OM top choice but it's worked. Look at Auburn, A&M, Florida, Texas, Arkansas, etc. It happens

[Quaoarsking]

This is where the binary nature of "guilty / not guilty" doesn't paint you a picture. To answer your question, no Lebby has not stood trial and been "cleared". By all accounts, there is no coach at Baylor from 2012-2015 that is "clear". That would mean proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that person did everything they could right. That's not feasible and you would be right in saying that's an unfair standard to hold someone to.

Our legal system instead looks to prove someone guilty (rather than innocent) beyond a shadow of a doubt. This means that if it's black (guilty) then it's black. If it's white then it's white. If it's gray then it's white. Every coach is firmly in the gray area at best. Art's had a couple of lawsuits where he's been dark grey but since it's not black it's white. Baylor has settled several other cases.

It goes further then for the public opinion to make their decision. Do you want to sit on morals and trust in black and white? That's your right. And Lebby has not ever been proven guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt.

But double digit women have come forward and reported the rape-enablement and encouragement culture at Baylor. Meanwhile Jeff consistently PUBLICLY defends Art. It's a pretty easy conclusion to draw where Lebby stands morally in the wake of this. He dismisses the seriousness of what happened. He avidly defends his father in law for having done nothing wrong when Baylor has paid several women for their silence.

You can call my logic taking a leap. But I'm not a court of law. I'm a person with common sense. I won't have my
daughter go near Ole Miss, OU, UCF, SeLa, Baylor, or any other school that let a known wolf into their house who was part of that culture. No one should have to experience the profound pain that occurs when being raped. It's not a joke. It's not something to dismiss.

Jeff Lebby has consistently dismissed and downplayed the significance of what happened. I have 0 faith in his ability to lead young men to become good men. Football is important. Some things are more important.

Do you think it's time for someone to pull a Clay Travis and lead a fan revolt?