Reality

[Todd4State]

We've got people that are going to run it in the ground for their personal agendas if people don't start getting involved.
Between the blue hairs that think it's a tradition to suck and the others that just want it to be their personal toy, folks better push the change. The good ole boys will kill it.

Just like the 60's according to my grandfather.

[Todd4State]

Not to mention the fact that after '95 and '96 we were ready to run him out of town on a rail. I heard Bobby Wallaces's name so much I just figured it was a done deal that he would be the next coach. And then the Bama win happened and all was right with the world again.

Yeah, Bobby Wallace was mentioned so much I thought so too. We dodged a bullet with that...he wasn't very good at Temple to say the least

That week in 1996 was pretty crazy. Everyone thought it was inevitable. That win over Bama in 1996 really changed the course of our program the next few years because who knows what would have happened with Wallace as our HC? I doubt we would have had the success we had in 1998 and are celebrating this weekend much less 1999.

[CoachT14]

When we have no one drafted this season for the first time in 15 years who should wear that?

Considering there 3-4 guys getting at least some pub for being drafted going into the year, I'd say it's Arnett.

[Coach34]

Considering there 3-4 guys getting at least some pub for being drafted going into the year, I'd say it's Arnett.

link?

I saw one that mentioned Woody working his way into the mix- link us some more

[dawgday166]

link?

I saw one that mentioned Woody working his way into the mix- link us some more

You were swearing to me before season or after 1st game or so Marks was an NFL back and I told you he wasn't. JRob was a much better all-around back than Marks and he didn't make it. I love Woody and he is a good solid player but he's not elusive and doesn't have great vision in finding the hole. DJ was better. But you wanted to argue with me about it and I wasn't gonna waste time going back and forth with you on it for days on end.

You were all excited about Hill replacing Aeris too and I was like "he better be damn good to replace a warrior that gained 1100 tough yds the year before and will block Bama LBs". Well, Hill was flash and no substance ... just like I thought he was.

But once again ... what-the-f***-ever. I ain't chasing a "link" down to prove my point cause I don't give that big a shit about it.

[msstate7]

Getting drafted at rb is very hard. There's really good rbs that can be had as UDFAs every year.

[dawgday166]

Getting drafted at rb is very hard. There's really good rbs that can be had as UDFAs every year.

I know. And you can be a really good college RB and not make the league. And I think Woody is a very solid RB, tho he's prone to injury. There are some backups that have flashed potential too ... Not sure why their production isn't higher but I'm guessing I know the answer to that probably.

[Coach34]

You were swearing to me before season or after 1st game or so Marks was an NFL back and I told you he wasn't. JRob was a much better all-around back than Marks and he didn't make it. I love Woody and he is a good solid player but he's not elusive and doesn't have great vision in finding the hole. DJ was better. But you wanted to argue with me about it and I wasn't gonna waste time going back and forth with you on it for days on end.

You were all excited about Hill replacing Aeris too and I was like "he better be damn good to replace a warrior that gained 1100 tough yds the year before and will block Bama LBs". Well, Hill was flash and no substance ... just like I thought he was.

But once again ... what-the-f***-ever. I ain't chasing a "link" down to prove my point cause I don't give that big a shit about it.

A) Wasnt talking to you. I clearly responded to CoachT14 for a link to the 3-4 guys getting some pub before the season he mentioned

B) I still think Woody gets a shot but his health issues probably make it as an UFA as opposed to a late round pick

[CoachT14]

link?

I saw one that mentioned Woody working his way into the mix- link us some more

I'm not wasting my time to go find some pre-season Mock Drafts for next year for you. You'd ignore the proof anyway.

[Coach34]

I'm not wasting my time to go find some pre-season Mock Drafts for next year for you. You'd ignore the proof anyway.

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You were just making shit up because you are mad that I'm right about our lack of talent

[CoachT14]

translated:

You were just making shit up because you are mad that I'm right about our lack of talent

You said Arnett was winning 8-10 this year. I don't wanna hear a thing about anyone else making shit up from you.

[BlackSailsDawg]

You said Arnett was winning 8-10 this year. I don't wanna hear a thing about anyone else making shit up from you.

I had no Idea you were a preacher! Preach brother T... Preach!

[msstate7]

You said Arnett was winning 8-10 this year. I don't wanna hear a thing about anyone else making shit up from you.

Making wrong predictions isn't the same as just making up things. Predictions by nature are opinions

[Really Clark?]

You said Arnett was winning 8-10 this year. I don't wanna hear a thing about anyone else making shit up from you.

A preseason win / loss prediction is making up shit? That's not correct

[dawgday166]

I'm gonna throw this out there and ain't gonna argue it but it is true most of the time. A well coached very veteran team will win most games against average coached younger, more talented teams. Of course UGA and Bama are extremely well coached and extremely talented teams, as LSU may be on the offensive side too. So they are excluded.

And a well coached veteran team with our past few years recruiting rankings should be winning and scoring points against this year's competition. Especially since those teams had such a coaching turnover to top that off. But then ... I guess on the O side we did too but we also have an extremely veteran team on offense for sure.

Not gonna keep arguing all of this cause the excuses will keep just being twisted and turned, performance metrics or criteria will constantly be twisted and turned, all while opposing QBs every week are completing close to 80% against us, and we cannot score against scoring Ds who are ranked in the 50s and below. The excuses will just keep rolling in while the MSU football program is crashing and burning.

ETA: And people shouldn't consistently write checks their body can't cash relative to BOLD predictions. And if our coaches can't evaluate the talent and execution of our team in spring and fall camps enough to know we're gonna struggle in a normal SECW, much less this pathetic SECW, then I personally have no confidence in those coaches to evaluate anything really.

[BlackSailsDawg]

I'm gonna throw this out there and ain't gonna argue it but it is true most of the time. A well coached very veteran team will win most games against average coached younger, more talented teams. Of course UGA and Bama are extremely well coached and extremely talented teams, as LSU may be on the offensive side too. So they are excluded.

And a well coached veteran team with our past few years recruiting rankings should be winning and scoring points against this year's competition. Especially since those teams had such a coaching turnover to top that off. But then ... I guess on the O side we did too but we also have an extremely veteran team on offense for sure.

Not gonna keep arguing all of this cause the excuses will keep just being twisted and turned, performance metrics or criteria will constantly be twisted and turned, all while opposing QBs every week are completing close to 80% against us, and we cannot score against scoring Ds who are ranked in the 50s and below. The excuses will just keep rolling in while the MSU football program is crashing and burning.

ETA: And people shouldn't consistently write checks their body can't cash relative to BOLD predictions. And if our coaches can't evaluate the talent and execution of our team in spring and fall camps enough to know we're gonna struggle in a normal SECW, much less this pathetic SECW, then I personally have no confidence in those coaches to evaluate anything really.

[Brahmabull]

That and 999 more doing the same will get us kj Jefferson.

Bahahahaaha!!!! That is funny! And so true!!!

Homedawg, remind me to slap you next time I see you for starting this thread!

[Homedawg]

Will do Brahma

[HancockCountyDog]

Complaining about Leach's recruiting when our current class is in the 40's and worse than any of Leach's is ironic.

I think both things can be true. Leach's recruiting was below average and our current recruiting is not great.

I do think we have a couple of really good playmakers committed, especially Stonka, but we are really lacking in the trenches. I am worried that we are going to be forced to go JUCO and Portal to get OL and DL for next year.

[CoachT14]

A preseason win / loss prediction is making up shit? That's not correct

That's not what I was saying. He was crowing all off-season about how great Arnett was and how he was going to win a ton of games this year. Now he's crowing about how great winning 6 games is because Leach sucks.

I don't want to hear from a damn thing from an idiot running around here crowing about how bad Leach was, that only thinks Arnett is good because he get's to be butt buddies with Arnett.