Reality

[dawgday166]

Just to add this: I see what y'all are doing. In '17 we made a helluva Juco haul. Abrams and Sweat were studs, Chauncy Rivers was pretty damn good, etc. They were a big part of the '17 and '18 teams. I remember Peterson being involved with that haul. Now that might work to supplement but it ain't your base IMO. Mullen's base was the HS talent he recruited. Some were studs like Simmons and C. Jones, others were coached up to become studs.

[KB21]

LOL at the Leach Haters trying to pin this season on him.

[dawgday166]

We lost to memphis a couple years ago with out best offense under leach, but no way we coulda lost 2 sec road games this season

Not because we couldn't score. And even tho those sophs fumbled and bumbled around, it was the bad call on the fumbled punt that cost us the game.

[msstate7]

I'm not pleased we lost to auburn; but probably worth noting at home, they've lost by a td to 2 top 10 teams

[msstate7]

Not because we couldn't score. And even tho those sophs fumbled and bumbled around, it was the bad call on the fumbled punt that cost us the game.

And no way a "bad call" coulda cost us a game on the road this year. No chance at all.

ETA... still not sure it was a correct call on the int will threw at SC this season. Oh, and 30 on the road at SC, so we didn't lose bc of offense in that

[Dawgface]

That's rich coming from you, as you are only interested in MSU keeping your buddies in their positions.

Ain't that the damn truth.

[dawgday166]

Not even why someone tries to say what we would have been w Leach. But whatever

I agree ... it's a moot point and doesn't matter but I've watched y'all argue with KB and BSD all summer. Some of y'all same way on the other side. If Leach were struggling like this right now, and maybe he would be, y'all would be ALL OVER this board saying "I told you so. Air Raid can't work in SEC".

I personally don't care about the AR either way. I thought it would work with some tweaks. But just like when Zach came in and fired most of Leach's staff and started from scratch, I was same way with Leach. If he losing cause of recruiting, or cause he ain't tweaking his O, or whatever the reason, it all falls on him. I was waiting to see long term with Leach. And I said same thing when Zach basically started over. I said "we'll see how that works out for him".

[msstate7]

LOL at the Leach Haters trying to pin this season on him.

When we have no one drafted this season for the first time in 15 years who should wear that?

[dawgday166]

And no way a "bad call" coulda cost us a game on the road this year. No chance at all.

ETA... still not sure it was a correct call on the int will threw at SC this season. Oh, and 30 on the road at SC, so we didn't lose bc of offense in that

No ... I'm saying we wouldn't be giving up 75% completions to those QBs and we'd be scoring a helluva a lot more points against these putrid Ds we're facing this year.

But it really doesn't matter. Y'all keep arguing it. What does matter is we got a lot of experienced players that right now look like they never played football before. And they "ain't got no talent and are "stupid"".

[dawgday166]

When we have no one drafted this season for the first time in 15 years who should wear that?

Before the season started we had players. First week or so of season C34 insisted to me that Marks was an NFL player (which I never thought so).

We were promised that this offense would be so much better than last year's offense. A LOT of promises were made that have crashed and burned ... To fans AND to players.

What bothers me is why make those promises after evaluating in spring and fall camp? If coaches can't tell we ain't up to normal SEC levels in those camps but then are still making those promises ... Then they can't evaluate talent or execution worth a shit. If they could evaluate, they'd be quiet about it.

[Homedawg]

Not because we couldn't score. And even tho those sophs fumbled and bumbled around, it was the bad call on the fumbled punt that cost us the game.

So if we had leach we would have for sure scored 38 to beat usc?? Some guarantee......

[dawgday166]

So if we had leach we would have for sure scored 38 to beat usc?? Some guarantee......

See what I mean SMFH. Y'all gonna keep arguing stupid shit like this forever.

All I know is USCe is ranked 80th in scoring O and 109th in scoring D. Yea ... We should've beat them regardless of the coach.

[Homedawg]

See what I mean SMFH. Y'all gonna keep arguing stupid shit like this forever.

All I know is USCe is ranked 80th in scoring O and 109th in scoring D. Yea ... We should've beat them regardless of the coach.

Y'all??? You're the one that said we would be 6-2. So I guess you aren't part of the argument. Splendid.

[dawgday166]

I agree ... it's a moot point and doesn't matter but I've watched y'all argue with KB and BSD all summer. Some of y'all same way on the other side. If Leach were struggling like this right now, and maybe he would be, y'all would be ALL OVER this board saying "I told you so. Air Raid can't work in SEC".

I personally don't care about the AR either way. I thought it would work with some tweaks. But just like when Zach came in and fired most of Leach's staff and started from scratch, I was same way with Leach. If he losing cause of recruiting, or cause he ain't tweaking his O, or whatever the reason, it all falls on him. I was waiting to see long term with Leach. And I said same thing when Zach basically started over. I said "we'll see how that works out for him".

See my quote above. Good way to drop it.

Y'all??? You're the one that said we would be 6-2. So I guess you aren't part of the argument. Splendid.

But naw ... you gotta get down into the minutia of individual games like this. Whatever. I'm dropping out.

All I know is we suck. Neither Leach or Mullen made excuses all the time when they were not performing like all of you, me, and the fanbase expect.

JoMo made excuses. I don't believe Zach has but I ain't hanging onto every word he says either.

Right now, I think we have a very long road in front of us. If this staff can turn it around great. If not, it might be a pretty long road.

ETA: I do believe Zach is regretting some decisions he has made based on advice he was given and/or people he listened to. Don't know for sure but his press conferences tend to make me think that might be the case.

[Homedawg]

See my quote above. Good way to drop it.



But naw ... you gotta get down into the minutia of individual games like this. Whatever. I'm dropping out.

All I know is we suck. Neither Leach or Mullen made excuses all the time when they were not performing like all of you, me, and the fanbase expect.

JoMo made excuses. I don't believe Zach has but I ain't hanging onto every word he says either.

Right now, I think we have a very long road in front of us. If this staff can turn it around great. If not, it might be a pretty long road.

ETA: I do believe Zach is regretting some decisions he has made based on advice he was given and/or people he listened to. Don't know for sure but his press conferences tend to make me think that might be the case.

So I'm supposed to drop it while you keep going. And the blame is on me, typical.

[KB21]

I agree ... it's a moot point and doesn't matter but I've watched y'all argue with KB and BSD all summer. Some of y'all same way on the other side. If Leach were struggling like this right now, and maybe he would be, y'all would be ALL OVER this board saying "I told you so. Air Raid can't work in SEC".

I personally don't care about the AR either way. I thought it would work with some tweaks. But just like when Zach came in and fired most of Leach's staff and started from scratch, I was same way with Leach. If he losing cause of recruiting, or cause he ain't tweaking his O, or whatever the reason, it all falls on him. I was waiting to see long term with Leach. And I said same thing when Zach basically started over. I said "we'll see how that works out for him".

They argued with me,...........and they lost. That really sticks in their craw right now.

[dawgday166]

They argued with me,...........and they lost. That really sticks in their craw right now.

I ain't in middle of all that. Doesn't matter now anyway relative to Leach and AR. You ain't helping any with your constant mantra either.

What matters is we are playing the most pathetic competition we've faced goin back to early 2000s and we got a bunch of experienced players and can't beat those teams. And the Ds of those teams are especially horrible, and we can't score points.

I firmly believe Mullen would win no less than 8 games but I ain't gonna debate that back and forth all day either.

[dawgday166]

So I'm supposed to drop it while you keep going. And the blame is on me, typical.

If you'll read my original quote I agreed with you that it all was moot now and getting down into those discussions didn't really matter. So IMO that was the out to just drop it. But many spend time doing just that. It's always about winning the argument.

Regardless, we're playing really bad teams and we look like we never played football before. Doesn't matter who the coach is.

[Todd4State]

So if we had leach we would have for sure scored 38 to beat usc?? Some guarantee......

Very likely. We scored 40+ on Arkansas who had a similar defense to South Carolina last year.

Also with Arnett focused on defense I believe we hold them to under 30.

[Todd4State]

LOL at the Leach Haters trying to pin this season on him.

Complaining about Leach's recruiting when our current class is in the 40's and worse than any of Leach's is ironic.