Guess we Fixen to get our wish?

[Really Clark?]

I love everything about the Air Raid. I love the practice philosophy. I love the route combinations and play designs. I loved Leach?s play calling. I love how it de-emphasized the run game.

I would've never guessed.***

[R2Dawg]

Three immediate thoughts about this.
1. NIL and free transfer, no reason to ever redshirt someone.
2. Parson playing is better for our future.
3. They get 4 games to play, correct?

Agree, this must be adjusted with current rules. This is something that Leach was the worst at. Leave starters in decided game the whole game, never got backups any reps. No reason not to give some reps to some guys.

[CadaverDawg]

Nah dude youre just wrong. And about to find out how wrong youve been because Will is probably done

In other words, "we're going to act like y'all were all saying Mike Wright is a better QB than Rogers just like we lie about y'all saying you wanted to Fire Leach and hire Arnett".....right? Whatever makes Will look better....screw State, just protect Will. You're pathetic.

Nobody thinks Wright is a great QB. Just like nobody wanted Arnett over Leach. But by all means, y'all keep spinning it to make things better at the Rogers family barbecue after the season.

[R2Dawg]

In other words, "we're going to act like y'all were all saying Mike Wright is a better QB than Rogers just like we lie about y'all saying you wanted to Fire Leach and hire Arnett".....right? Whatever makes Will look better....screw State, just protect Will. You're pathetic.

Nobody thinks Wright is a great QB. Just like nobody wanted Arnett over Leach. But by all means, y'all keep spinning it to make things better at the Rogers family barbecue after the season.

Some had rather see MSU fail if their guy isn't doing it just to say see told you. That is not the definition of a fan of anything other than said player or coach, not an MSU fan. You can still have a favorite, that is OK but we got many that don't know where to draw the line. It is called Pride.

[CadaverDawg]

Some had rather see MSU fail if their guy isn't doing it just to say see told you. That is not the definition of a fan of anything other than said player or coach, not an MSU fan. You can still have a favorite, that is OK but we got many that don't know where to draw the line. It is called Pride.

100%

[BlackSailsDawg]

Arnett stated last night the Rogers and Marks are day to day.

[Homedawg]

Arnett stated last night the Rogers and Marks are day to day.

He would say that if they had body parts in casts.

[Jarius]

In other words, "we're going to act like y'all were all saying Mike Wright is a better QB than Rogers just like we lie about y'all saying you wanted to Fire Leach and hire Arnett".....right? Whatever makes Will look better....screw State, just protect Will. You're pathetic.

Nobody thinks Wright is a great QB. Just like nobody wanted Arnett over Leach. But by all means, y'all keep spinning it to make things better at the Rogers family barbecue after the season.

That's exactly what they are going to do. This coaching staff and Leach are at fault for horrendous quarterback recruiting for the past 3 years. Will didn't offer himself a scholarship and Will didn't fail to upgrade the quarterback room. That's on the coaches. Doesn't make his play any less terrible, but him being the best option isn't his fault. Now his family coming on here and denying that he is playing bad and creating 15 message board usernames on 3 different sites to chastize anyone who points out his obvious horrible play is weird as shit. Also them acting like "we are about to see" as if we weren't about to go 4-8 with or without him at quarterback is hilarious. The guy who has shit the bed for 2 years is going to show us how good we had it.

[TrapGame]

That's exactly what they are going to do. This coaching staff and Leach are at fault for horrendous quarterback recruiting for the past 3 years. Will didn't offer himself a scholarship and Will didn't fail to upgrade the quarterback room. That's on the coaches. Doesn't make his play any less terrible, but him being the best option isn't his fault. Now his family coming on here and denying that he is playing bad and creating 15 message board usernames on 3 different sites to chastize anyone who points out his obvious horrible play is weird as shit. Also them acting like "we are about to see" as if we weren't about to go 4-8 with or without him at quarterback is hilarious. The guy who has shit the bed for 2 years is going to show us how good we had it.

And if Mike Wright is the QB from here on out and we somehow finish 6-6 the new narrative they conjure is going to be hilarious.

[Prediction? Pain.]

I didn't love leach's offense. But to say it didn't move the ball well at all is not true. We were middle of the league in offense despite being the least talented team in every league game we played. It was a mediocre offense.

Agree with everything else.

Good point. In all this back and forth, people seem to forget that in 2021, the offense worked pretty well. In conference games, we were 4th in total offense and 5th in scoring offense. We've surpassed the total offense rank twice since 2009 and the scoring offense rank once. Likewise, even with his limitations, Will's passer rating rank against SEC teams in 2021 (5th in the SEC) was better than anyone since 2009 other than Dak in '14 and '15. And his passer rating rank in '21 vs. Top 25 teams (4th in the SEC) was actually better than anyone in Mullen's entire tenure. Even's Will's yards-per-attempt, which gets him lambasted regularly, were by MSU standards solid that year -- 9th vs. SEC teams, 7th vs. Top 25 teams, both of which are as good or better than any QB Mullen ever fielded save Dak in 2014 and 2015. (The closest previous year was '12, when as a team our yards-per-attempt ranks wwere 7th vs. SEC teams and 8th vs. Top 25 teams.)

The problem is that Will, though proven and demonstrably capable of operating in the offense, regressed last year, especially against good defenses. I'm not going to pretend that I know why. He'd already seen an entire season and a half of SEC teams' "Drop 8" defenses and had fared well against them overall in '21. Losing Polk from '21 probably hurt a lot. And then there was some OL change. Who knows. Bottom line, yeah, the '22 offense took a step back and that's unfortunately the last taste of Leach's offense that we go to see.

This year's offense has been up and down like last year's, and the stats are similar to maybe a little worse depending on the category. To be expected with a big transition, no doubt. I don't know why we were fed this stuff in the offseason about the "best 11" and retaining the air raid passing elements that we knew how to operate. But here we are. I don't know anything about Will's health, and I hope he's ok. I also don't know how well Wright can operate the current offensive system (whatever that is) compared to Will, but I'm fine with him steering the ship if he's capable.

The question I have is how we're going to fare against more competent defenses. We've faced one legit defense so far. The rest have been either bad or very, very bad. I mean, LSU's, S. Carolina's, and Western Michigan are among the worst in the entire country at giving up TDs per drive and yards-per-possession. (I mean like bottom 20% of the entire country. (Arizona's numbers aren't good either, but their schedule has also been worse so far, so who knows where they stack up.)) Auburn, A&M, and Kentucky are all substantially better on D, and even Arkansas and U. Miss. have better raw numbers than LSU and S. Carolina. I hope stuff starts clicking, whether it's with Rogers, Wright, or both. Because outside of USM, the defenses aren't getting any easiser.

A final thoughts to wrap this ramble up: In 2021 and 2022, Leach led the program to back-to-back .500 seasons in the SEC. That's happened three times at MSU since 2000. Once with best QB in program history at the helm, once with the best defense in the nation and the all-time leading QB rusher in SEC history, and once with Will Rogers, the air raid, and (at least in 2022) a pretty salty defense. I know this won't happen, but I feel like maybe we could just be cool with that, let it lie, and see where we go from here. If we improve, awesome. If we continue the hapless suckitude, hopefully the AD will do whatever it is that needs to be done.

P.S. The closest comparisons to our current defense are Sirmon's D in 2016 and Shoop's bizarrely terrible D in 2019. Those units were outliers among otherwise average-to-very-good-to-elite defenses that we've had since Mullen arrived in 2009. Neither Sirmon nor Shoop was back the next year and both replacements (Grantham and Arnett) improved things immediately. So yeah, if this continues, somethings got to give.

[Jarius]

I just hope that Will can play the rest of the season. No rational MSU fan actually wanted him to get hurt, and I would think everyone realizes that he gives us the best chance to win games after watching Wright throw the ball this past weekend.

Has there been any final word? I've heard "he is playing against the Hogs" to "he is most likely done for the season". That is a massive range of possibilities.

Wright graded out higher via PFF than Rogers did last weekend. I would personally like to see Will be the starter and have Wright come in in the redzone and all short yardage situations, but he throws it well enough that he can be used in the passing game at least a little bit. He has won SEC games with Vandy talent around him. He isn't good throwing the football, but he isn't completely inept.

[HancockCountyDog]

Wright graded out higher via PFF than Rogers did last weekend. I would personally like to see Will be the starter and have Wright come in in the redzone and all short yardage situations, but he throws it well enough that he can be used in the passing game at least a little bit. He has won SEC games with Vandy talent around him. He isn't good throwing the football, but he isn't completely inept.

I don't think he is inept either.

My focus is this season and our ability to get to 6-7 wins. I know that 8-9 wins are off the table, but I don't think we can withstand a 4-8 or 5-7 type season, especially with all the seniors we are going to lose off this team.

[CadaverDawg]

I don't think he is inept either.

My focus is this season and our ability to get to 6-7 wins. I know that 8-9 wins are off the table, but I don't think we can withstand a 4-8 or 5-7 type season, especially with all the seniors we are going to lose off this team.

I agree with this

[Mjoelner34]

.....This coaching staff and Leach are at fault for horrendous quarterback recruiting for the past 3 years. ......

I wouldn't necessarily say that. What I would add, and it's by far my biggest gripe against Leach, is that we never had the chance to find out if they were horrendous or not. Getting 2 snaps in the last two minutes of a game when you're up 30pts in the 4th against a cupcake doesn't prove anything. Leach failed to give any meaningful game snaps to every QB we had on the bench. Even with the bitching by some about Will and the worshiping by others, I think we can all agree that we would have been screwed the past 2 years if he had gotten hurt. Now we're screwed because we had no backup with anything other than a couple of plays under their belt and it looks like Arnett may be continuing that trend. There were opportunities to put Wright in for the entire 4th quarter against SELA and LSU since both games were pretty much over by then but instead he'd get 1 play every other drive.

[Jarius]

I wouldn't necessarily say that. What I would add, and it's by far my biggest gripe against Leach, is that we never had the chance to find out if they were horrendous or not. Getting 2 snaps in the last two minutes of a game when you're up 30pts in the 4th against a cupcake doesn't prove anything. Leach failed to give any meaningful game snaps to every QB we had on the bench. Even with the bitching by some about Will and the worshiping by others, I think we can all agree that we would have been screwed the past 2 years if he had gotten hurt. Now we're screwed because we had no backup with anything other than a couple of plays under their belt and it looks like Arnett may be continuing that trend. There were opportunities to put Wright in for the entire 4th quarter against SELA and LSU since both games were pretty much over by then but instead he'd get 1 play every other drive.

Having a quarterback that leads an offense to 1 offensive touchdown in 40 % of your power 5 games in the system he was recruited for and then having him look like this in a normal offense is just bad recruiting. Leach was a magician and he won with defense largely last year. His quarterbacks have not left here and done anything and the starter was rarely anything above mediocre. His quarterback recruiting at MSU was extremely bad.

[Homedawg]

Having a quarterback that leads an offense to 1 offensive touchdown in 40 % of your power 5 games in the system he was recruited for and then having him look like this in a normal offense is just bad recruiting. Leach was a magician and he won with defense largely last year. His quarterbacks have not left here and done anything and the starter was rarely anything above mediocre. His quarterback recruiting at MSU was extremely bad.

Again, leach has never been a guy that signed great hs qb and it worked out. There is an exception. But rare.

[lastmajordog]

Agree, this must be adjusted with current rules. This is something that Leach was the worst at. Leave starters in decided game the whole game, never got backups any reps. No reason not to give some reps to some guys.

reminds me of a former HS coach, and when he left it was disaster for that school.......

[SPDawgs]

I heard from people close to the football team on campus that Jake Weir has been moved up to QB2 on the roster. That would mean that both Will and Parsons are out for the next couple games at least. Pretty much confirms some of the fears that we have been having this week.

[Offshore Dawg]

Some had rather see MSU fail if their guy isn't doing it just to say see told you. That is not the definition of a fan of anything other than said player or coach, not an MSU fan. You can still have a favorite, that is OK but we got many that don't know where to draw the line. It is called Pride.

unfortunately there is too much truth in this statement.

[Jarius]

I heard from people close to the football team on campus that Jake Weir has been moved up to QB2 on the roster. That would mean that both Will and Parsons are out for the next couple games at least. Pretty much confirms some of the fears that we have been having this week.

Unless the defense learns how to stop a nose bleed it doesn’t matter who we have at quarterback. I don’t have it in me to pull against us, but it would probably be best for the program if we did bad enough to force this experiment to end by going 4-8.