Sunday Morning QB- Just Cant Give Them The D Edition

[Really Clark?]

Spurrier definitely added some wrinkles. I don't think Leach should get credit for the offense in the bowl. Did he get credit for the win as a coach?

I don't man, it screams, hey that's another very low offensive performance that we can remove to make our ppg look better last season and removes one of our defensive scores too. I mean these numbers have been debated for a long long while, but now...oh Bowl game don't count. But whatever. At the end of the day the actual numbers are about the same, so far.

We will se how it ends up, I would be be surprised if it ends the same, worse or better at this point. We are close but in flux, execution almost is there then fart. Then injuries may hurt it worse...who knows.

[Really Clark?]

We will see at the end of the year, but it’s pretty apparent that Barbay’s offense is going to be ok (nothing special) and Brock’s defense is not. The fact that we have a million threads discussing our offense which is virtually the same as last year and are focusing very little on our awful defense proves where a lot of people’s loyalties are. I’ve never seen a player’s family and friends helicopter over s message board the way this one’s have. It’s obnoxious.

I agree

[sandjunky]

I don't man, it screams, hey that's another very low offensive performance that we can remove to make our ppg look better last season and removes one of our defensive scores too. I mean these numbers have been debated for a long long while, but now...oh Bowl game don't count. But whatever. At the end of the day the actual numbers are about the same, so far.

We will se how it ends up, I would be be surprised if it ends the same, worse or better at this point. We are close but in flux, execution almost is there then fart. Then injuries may hurt it worse...who knows.

Did leach call the plays while he was living and head coach?

Did he prepare the players for the bowl?

Who was the head coach again in bowl game?

See 1st question, did he call plays in bowl game?

It has nothing to do with making the offense look better last year

[KB21]

I mean, I just posted the graph that shows last year's offense was much better than this year's offense through the same time period, and there are still some saying that they are similar.

[Really Clark?]

Did leach call the plays while he was living and head coach?

Did he prepare the players for the bowl?

Who was the head coach again in bowl game?

See 1st question, did he call plays in bowl game?

It has nothing to do with making the offense look better last year

Ok, like I said the numbers have been debated for a long while, Bowl game was included because it was his offense and a guy several of the AR groupies wanted to be OC, until after the bowl game debacle. Throughout the summer, into the season, NOW let's remove the bowl game numbers. Fine. It's still about the same in offensive scoring. It's still about the same in common opponents from last season. It's still about the same vs SEC opponents as last season, so far. We will see how it ends up, I have my doubts but could see it ending up about the same as last season.

I don't recall very many if any giving Dan a pass when an interim called the defense in a bowl game and the defense looked bad.

[Really Clark?]

I mean, I just posted the graph that shows last year's offense was much better than this year's offense through the same time period, and there are still some saying that they are similar.

Raw scoring, you know what's being talked about. A lot of other metrics I agree with you on in comparison completely, but at the end of the day, it should give you pause that in raw scoring it's similar. We will see where it ends up.

[KB21]

Raw scoring, you know what's being talked about. A lot of other metrics I agree with you on in comparison completely, but at the end of the day, it should give you pause that in raw scoring it's similar. We will see where it ends up.

Raw scoring isn't being adjusted for opponent nor does it take into account the efficiency of the offense.

[Really Clark?]

Raw scoring isn't being adjusted for opponent nor does it take into account the efficiency of the offense.

Oh I know but at the end of the day you absolutely know what's being debated and that will not change right now.

[KB21]

Oh I know but at the end of the day you absolutely know what's being debated and that will not change right now.

What's being debated is the effectiveness of the two offenses. The fact that some of you are using raw scoring data doesn't change the fact that it is a poor stat to use when comparing the two offenses, nor does it change the fact that we were much better offensively at the same point during the season last year than we are this year.

[Really Clark?]

What's being debated is the effectiveness of the two offenses. The fact that some of you are using raw scoring data doesn't change the fact that it is a poor stat to use when comparing the two offenses, nor does it change the fact that we were much better offensively at the same point during the season last year than we are this year.

I'm not disputing most of that. At the end of the day, when the actual production is being similarly replicated in the actual scoring, that is what's going to be looked at. It's a valid point because you know that if the efficiencies increase then the raw point totals will as well. We have to be more efficient, no question. It should give a person pause if game play models are used, this offense potentially scores more even run less efficiently than last year. It's too murky right now, efficiency is too low and too few games to make a full analysis. I think the raw scoring will stay similar or drop back some the rest of the season, especially if Will is out an extended amount time. Interesting to see where it ends up.

[confucius say]

This is what it will be as long as NIL exists in its current form. Maybe not quite this bad every year, but we will always have less talent than pretty much everyone else in the conference.

The only way to offset the NIL deficiency to some extent is to have a coach that recruits and players are tripping over themselves to play for.

And a scheme that allows you to beat more talented teams. I'm not the biggest leach guy, but he did win as an underdog often.

[confucius say]

We are scoring at the exact same clip as the air raid in this offense.

If we do that by years end, that's great.

[confucius say]

I agree

Agree. The offense will work.
The defensive scheme will too.

We just need better players and a coach who inspires guys to run through a wall. Arnett is soft.

[Santiago]

We won 9 last year, and the previous year maybe would have hit 9 if we had a better than average kicker.
I want to win. But while we were winning , some took the approach to ridicule the coach and system.
We are not winning so far this year, but it is how bad we look losing also. Even the wins are an OT, and then a second tier team taking us to the 4th quarter in a game.

Provide any stat anyone wants, but winning is the bottom line. And it is true there has been an issue with the staff, some boosters, etc pushing for a total change in offense. Ok big dawgs, go ahead but you better win while doing it. And don't try to sell us on it, or this staff. Just go win.

[Coach34]

We won 9 last year, and the previous year maybe would have hit 9 if we had a better than average kicker.
I want to win. But while we were winning , some took the approach to ridicule the coach and system.

A) if if if

B) Nobody on this board ridiculed Leach. He was very respected and represented us well. Stop with the BS trying to mislabel history. There were those of us that simply didnt like the offense. It's the equivalent of the Wing-T to me. Play the Drop 8 every week and dump off passes to the RB = Buck Sweep in excitement. Just awful to watch. Barbay's O is like watching Yellowstone compared to the Leach Airbone which was like watching the Teletubbies

[Cooterpoot]

You Leach apologists need to stop. The guy was past his prime. His offense went backwards last year and the offense this year is scoring at a similar rate. There was nothing special happening here. He didn't recruit worth a damn! He barely ran practice. He wasn't even around for offseason stuff much at all. I appreciate last year's record, but it wasn't anything special. Just a good season.

[KB21]

A) if if if

B) Nobody on this board ridiculed Leach. He was very respected and represented us well. Stop with the BS trying to mislabel history. There were those of us that simply didnt like the offense. It's the equivalent of the Wing-T to me. Play the Drop 8 every week and dump off passes to the RB = Buck Sweep in excitement. Just awful to watch. Barbay's O is like watching Yellowstone compared to the Leach Airbone which was like watching the Teletubbies

This is a straight up lie. There was more lies told about Mike than any coach we have ever had.

[Coach34]

This is a straight up lie. There was more lies told about Mike than any coach we have ever had.

By who in our fanbase? What lies?

[KB21]

It blows me away that someone can disrespect and be so critical of Mike Leach, the best coach this program has ever had, and in the same breath praise the job that Arnett and his terrible coordinator choice Barbay have done. Particularly when Barbay can?t even establish a system and just calls plays without actually tying anything together.

[KB21]

By who in our fanbase? What lies?

Every one that was against hiring him. You included.