Our fans remind me of the scouts in MoneyBall

[Maverick91]

[QUOTE=Coursesuper;1544178]

Bro… wouldn’t we all like to know. Chilling in some bank making some banker a TON of money and not being invested in any of the activities on campus. If their was a national championship for financial responsibility State would probably win it every year.[/QUOTE

Damn, its amazing the BS people will believe. I should know better but alas. I guess I now understand why Rosebowl has such a easy time peddling his propaganda.

What’s BS about my statement? We both agree that we hoard money for reasons that are never explained to us, why would it not be sitting in some bank account?

[Maverick91]

[QUOTE=Cooterpoot;1544180]

You mean like Nike owning our logo? That kinda BS? LOL

Whoever came up with that to sell to the fans should never be allowed back on campus.

[Coursesuper]

[QUOTE=Maverick91;1544216]

What’s BS about my statement? We both agree that we hoard money for reasons that are never explained to us, why would it not be sitting in some bank account?

I never agreed we hoard money, I'd say that you have been misinformed informed.

[Maverick91]

Delete

[cheewgumm]

Im not hating on your idea. I wish it would happen. However, just FYI, there is only 14,000+ in the Bulldog Club. Also, I am pretty sure, if you bought season tickets and gave $1,000 just this year, your ranking would be under 10,000.

Youre making a good point. I'm not up on all the numbers. To me, it seems like we could sell this, but to me, this ia a good point. Still hopeful.


Jus to add...I think you could get a lot of people to give $20 a month as its less daunting and easy to quickly cancel. Seems much easier than getting $1k. so maybe that helps the numbers.

[Cooterpoot]

From Coaching HotSeat:

Zach Arnett, Mississippi State

Status: Incredibly perilous for a first-year coach

Most of the newer coaches in the Big Ten or SEC have little to worry about because they have laughably humungous buyouts (see the Billy Napier section above), but Arnett is in a very different situation. His promotion to head coach came after the sudden and tragic passing of Mike Leach, and while Mississippi State leaders wanted to provide some continuity for the program, it?s clear they didn?t want to be locked into their new coach. The Bulldogs are currently 2-3. They should beat Western Michigan on Saturday, but after that comes a stretch of at Arkansas, at Auburn, Kentucky at home, and at Texas A&M. By the end of that, we might know whether Mississippi State leaders have a decision to make.
Arnett got a four-year deal that pays $3 million a year. His buyout calls for him to get 50 percent of the remaining amount on the contract. That means Mississippi State would owe Arnett $4.5 million over three years if it fired him after this season. But unlike Napier?s deal, Arnett?s also includes a duty to mitigate. In other words, the salary for Arnett?s next job would be subtracted from the buyout figure. Arnett has proven himself to be a very capable defensive coordinator, and it?s quite possible he could land a job either elsewhere in the SEC or somewhere in the Big Ten that would pay as much or more than the $1.5 million a year Mississippi State would owe him. So the Bulldogs might be able to make a change for relative pennies ? a rare occasion in today?s coaching contract environment.

[Really Clark?]

From Coaching HotSeat:

Zach Arnett, Mississippi State

Status: Incredibly perilous for a first-year coach

Most of the newer coaches in the Big Ten or SEC have little to worry about because they have laughably humungous buyouts (see the Billy Napier section above), but Arnett is in a very different situation. His promotion to head coach came after the sudden and tragic passing of Mike Leach, and while Mississippi State leaders wanted to provide some continuity for the program, it?s clear they didn?t want to be locked into their new coach. The Bulldogs are currently 2-3. They should beat Western Michigan on Saturday, but after that comes a stretch of at Arkansas, at Auburn, Kentucky at home, and at Texas A&M. By the end of that, we might know whether Mississippi State leaders have a decision to make.
Arnett got a four-year deal that pays $3 million a year. His buyout calls for him to get 50 percent of the remaining amount on the contract. That means Mississippi State would owe Arnett $4.5 million over three years if it fired him after this season. But unlike Napier?s deal, Arnett?s also includes a duty to mitigate. In other words, the salary for Arnett?s next job would be subtracted from the buyout figure. Arnett has proven himself to be a very capable defensive coordinator, and it?s quite possible he could land a job either elsewhere in the SEC or somewhere in the Big Ten that would pay as much or more than the $1.5 million a year Mississippi State would owe him. So the Bulldogs might be able to make a change for relative pennies ? a rare occasion in today?s coaching contract environment.

It was a good contract for us and a good job by the president to make sure we have an out.

[Cooterpoot]

As long as there's an out it's hard to complain beyond "we should've done this or that" stuff. We just have to be prepared to use the out if things don't pick up. I feel better about the situation now.

[TrapGame]

From Coaching HotSeat:

Zach Arnett, Mississippi State

Status: Incredibly perilous for a first-year coach

Most of the newer coaches in the Big Ten or SEC have little to worry about because they have laughably humungous buyouts (see the Billy Napier section above), but Arnett is in a very different situation. His promotion to head coach came after the sudden and tragic passing of Mike Leach, and while Mississippi State leaders wanted to provide some continuity for the program, it?s clear they didn?t want to be locked into their new coach. The Bulldogs are currently 2-3. They should beat Western Michigan on Saturday, but after that comes a stretch of at Arkansas, at Auburn, Kentucky at home, and at Texas A&M. By the end of that, we might know whether Mississippi State leaders have a decision to make.
Arnett got a four-year deal that pays $3 million a year. His buyout calls for him to get 50 percent of the remaining amount on the contract. That means Mississippi State would owe Arnett $4.5 million over three years if it fired him after this season. But unlike Napier?s deal, Arnett?s also includes a duty to mitigate. In other words, the salary for Arnett?s next job would be subtracted from the buyout figure. Arnett has proven himself to be a very capable defensive coordinator, and it?s quite possible he could land a job either elsewhere in the SEC or somewhere in the Big Ten that would pay as much or more than the $1.5 million a year Mississippi State would owe him. So the Bulldogs might be able to make a change for relative pennies ? a rare occasion in today?s coaching contract environment.

Yeah, he's gone, barring a significant turnaround which is very unlikely to happen. He wasn't ready to be head coach.

[Goldendawg]

I don't think we are about to relegated to the sunbelt for one losing season. However I do wonder if there is something fundamentally wrong in the Bryan building or the relationship between the big money boosters and the Bryan building. Because Stricklin leaving was a head scratcher.... but ok it's Florida. However then the next AD, who is a former MSU athlete, leaving for another sec rival... what the hell is going on here? Not a good sign.

We are an on-the job training program for AD's. We must be somewhat good at it as our former guys are now at bama, AU, and FL. Now with NIL/Portal some of best players also leave, (We do however replace them with players who make little or no contributions it seems. See the poor evaluations by this staff on our players from this years portal class). No way they will kick us out of the SEC as we are their feeder program!*****

[Todd4State]

Yeah, he's gone, barring a significant turnaround which is very unlikely to happen. He wasn't ready to be head coach.

Yeah. We're not going to hamstring a first year AD with a bad contract that isn't his doing to the point where he can't do his job.

The best thing is the money we are saving should allow us to be very aggressive in the coaching market.

[cheewgumm]

5 games in

?Weve seen enough. We couldnt beat Alabama and LSU so youre gone!?

Ha. Wow.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Yeah. We're not going to hamstring a first year AD with a bad contract that isn't his doing to the point where he can't do his job.

The best thing is the money we are saving should allow us to be very aggressive in the coaching market.

First we "saved money" by going cheap on Moorhead. Then we spent a bit more on Leach but still "saved money" on the overall staff relative to the SEC average. Then we "saved money" by hiring Arnett, promoting the DC from within, hiring and unproven G5 OC, and no real notable assistants. Then we "saved money" by not using NIL to get good Portal transfers for Football. Then we "saved money" by not firing Lemo. Then we "saved money" by not being able to get a baseball Portal transfer worthy of NIL. Moorhead buyout was relatively low for an SEC HC and -supposedly- was paid for with Seal money earmarked for that purpose. We are financially banking several million every year per any source you look at. OM out here paying a HC $8M a year and we're paying less than that for our entire football coaching staff. We have also been EXTREMELY fortunate on coaching buyouts over the last decade- Mullen left, JoMo was a cheap contract, Can was fired with cause, Henderson didn't need a buyout, Howland and Penson retired, etc. Most SEC school have spent 4x what we have on buyouts over the last 5 years. Facilities is a littel closer, we built a big baseball stadium. But all other schools still spend more than us on facilities overall.

SO yeah, we damned sure BETTER start spending on something.

[Cooterpoot]

5 games in

?Weve seen enough. We couldnt beat Alabama and LSU so youre gone!?

Ha. Wow.

Y'all act like LSU is good. They're 3-2.

[Homedawg]

First we "saved money" by going cheap on Moorhead. Then we spent a bit more on Leach but still "saved money" on the overall staff relative to the SEC average. Then we "saved money" by hiring Arnett, promoting the DC from within, hiring and unproven G5 OC, and no real notable assistants. Then we "saved money" by not using NIL to get good Portal transfers for Football. Then we "saved money" by not firing Lemo. Then we "saved money" by not being able to get a baseball Portal transfer worthy of NIL. Moorhead buyout was relatively low for an SEC HC and -supposedly- was paid for with Seal money earmarked for that purpose. We are financially banking several million every year per any source you look at. OM out here paying a HC $8M a year and we're paying less than that for our entire football coaching staff. We have also been EXTREMELY fortunate on coaching buyouts over the last decade- Mullen left, JoMo was a cheap contract, Can was fired with cause, Henderson didn't need a buyout, Howland and Penson retired, etc. Most SEC school have spent 4x what we have on buyouts over the last 5 years. Facilities is a littel closer, we built a big baseball stadium. But all other schools still spend more than us on facilities overall.

SO yeah, we damned sure BETTER start spending on something.

Fact is, going back to Mullen, our list of people that wanted our job has been less than stellar. Leach was by far the biggest name. The rest are a bunch of assistants or lower level guys that are meh. I know everyone thinks oh we can get so and so bc we're are in the sec. But our job is perceived as a tough job and guys like Napier wait for bigger jobs and won't touch it.

[Goldendawg]

Y'all act like LSU is good. They're 3-2.

And how bad did they beat us compared to how they beat OM? Oh, nvm.***

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Fact is, going back to Mullen, our list of people that wanted our job has been less than stellar. Leach was by far the biggest name. The rest are a bunch of assistants or lower level guys that are meh. I know everyone thinks oh we can get so and so bc we're are in the sec. But our job is perceived as a tough job and guys like Napier wait for bigger jobs and won't touch it.

Yeah we can't hire a "big name", but there's no reason we can't pay $10M total for a staff. And look at other SEC teams- TN hired a G5 coach who wasn't doing that hot. We could hire someone with a Huepel resume. Or look at Mizzou hiring the App St coach, we could have done that. SC hired a TE coach and it's working ok ish. Arky hired an OL coach and it's working ok ish. We hired JoMo and Arnett and both were epic failures.

Point is, there's good coaches we could land, but we historically SUCK at it. Epically so. I have my suspicion it's Keenum/boosters that are the cause. One more dud hire and it's confirmed we have an institutional problem.

[Cooterpoot]

Fact is, going back to Mullen, our list of people that wanted our job has been less than stellar. Leach was by far the biggest name. The rest are a bunch of assistants or lower level guys that are meh. I know everyone thinks oh we can get so and so bc we're are in the sec. But our job is perceived as a tough job and guys like Napier wait for bigger jobs and won't touch it.

Then offer a real salary compared to competitors and stop going cheap. And with all the crap going on in college football, our job looks better every day. It's weird how OM isn't perceived the same. That's because they're committed. Their record the last decade isn't something special. But look at them going and getting it instead of 17ing poor mouthing about everything and penny pinching the shit out of everything for the sake of the blue collar fans.

[Homedawg]

Then offer a real salary compared to competitors and stop going cheap. And with all the crap going on in college football, our job looks better every day. It's weird how OM isn't perceived the same. That's because they're committed. Their record the last decade isn't something special. But look at them going and getting it instead of 17ing poor mouthing about everything and penny pinching the shit out of everything for the sake of the blue collar fans.

I think we would offer a "real" salary for a guy worth it. We did to leach. But why pay 6 mil + just because. That's dumb. I'm talking g about we didn't even have any legit candidates of anyone remotely deserving a real salary.

[Todd4State]

Our administration has been way worse than the fans. It's not close. They give the school millions from from our athletic budget and then rainy day fund millions instead of putting it into recruiting to help level the field. We prioritized 17ing baseball over everything. That's as dumb as it gets. We can't even get our damn new logo on the scoreboard but other schools have it on theirs when we go there. We've been so poorly operated by the good ole boys selling blue collar bullshit for so long the fans are finally sick of it.
I'm waiting to see how this circus of a football program goes the next two months to decide if I need to invest my money somewhere else. If we keep the circus in town after a losing record, I'm out. If they straighten out things, & win games or we fire Amatuer Hour for sucking, Im increasing my investment. Either MSU invests in the program, or they need to stop asking people to.

This is where I am at as a fan too.