On WRs not being where they should be

[BlackSailsDawg]

Yes, it's been happening in every game. Bumphis just explained that WRs have "options on route by reading coverages".

There were some miscommunications with Will Rogers and the receivers, is it a simple fix?

?Yeah, it?s?I guess you could say nothing simple. But it?s things that can be corrected in practice. We have some option routes that are dictated off coverages, so we?ve just got to make sure we?re seeing the same thing and we?re on the same page.?


Does it sounds like we have complicated things way too much?

[Leroy Jenkins]

Yeah it looks really bad.

Air raid had the same option routes. We (they) are just panicking right now because we aren't comfortable or are confused about what we are looking at, QB and WR are not seeing the same thing.

It's kind of a miracle we haven't thrown the ball to the other team yet.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

3 years of looking at a drop 8 zone and "throwing to space" vs man to man with roaming safeties, LBs that can blitz or drop, and occasional zones looks. It's certainly a big change.

Should have modified the air raid. Add some running plays to try to break the drop 8zone but keep all QB/WR stuff as similar as possible. OR- keep everything the same but Portal in a mobile QB. Spencer Sanders is rotting on the bench at OM- his numbers dipped in '22 because their OL got worse but in the 3 years as a starter before that he was a 62.5% passer and rushed for over 500 yards a season. He'd be hell in the air raid if he could pick up the "throw to space" thing.

[Leroy Jenkins]

3 years of looking at a drop 8 zone and "throwing to space" vs man to man with roaming safeties, LBs that can blitz or drop, and occasional zones looks. It's certainly a big change.

Agreed.

[Maverick91]

Whether we made crazy changes or not this does explain deer in the headlights play.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Whether we made crazy changes or not this does explain deer in the headlights play.

Truth. Now that does not mean that Rogers is not the one making the wrong read on the coverage. It does mean we have done a poor job of installing this offense.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Whether we made crazy changes or not this does explain deer in the headlights play.

No doubt! Joe Brady sure got LSUs players on the same page in his first offseason. Deons staff was able to take a much of kids who have never spoken to each other or stepped foot on the Buffs campus and get them on the same page. Heupel had TNs offense rolling his first year.

It all comes down to coaching. You have to adapt to the players and teach them, but history has proven college kids are capable of learning a new offense in 1 offseason. We just have coaches that neither adapted to their players nor taught them well

[dawgday166]

Seems like outside work by Will with WRs may be lacking or deficient.

[memsu06]

No doubt! Joe Brady sure got LSUs players on the same page in his first offseason. Deons staff was able to take a much of kids who have never spoken to each other or stepped foot on the Buffs campus and get them on the same page. Heupel had TNs offense rolling his first year.

It all comes down to coaching. You have to adapt to the players and teach them, but history has proven college kids are capable of learning a new offense in 1 offseason. We just have coaches that neither adapted to their players nor taught them well

I don't think it matters what offense we run at MSU. We always look lost on offense when we change. I'm not sure what we're doing different than other schools.

[Maverick91]

I don't think it matters what offense we run at MSU. We always look lost on offense when we change. I'm not sure what we're doing different than other schools.

Well if the rumors are true that Arnett had abbreviated practices in spring and fall that would explain a lot. I still need someone to say that rumor is true or not.

[BlackSailsDawg]

No doubt! Joe Brady sure got LSUs players on the same page in his first offseason. Deons staff was able to take a much of kids who have never spoken to each other or stepped foot on the Buffs campus and get them on the same page. Heupel had TNs offense rolling his first year.

It all comes down to coaching. You have to adapt to the players and teach them, but history has proven college kids are capable of learning a new offense in 1 offseason. We just have coaches that neither adapted to their players nor taught them well

Ding friggin ding ding!

[BlackSailsDawg]

I don't think it matters what offense we run at MSU. We always look lost on offense when we change. I'm not sure what we're doing different than other schools.

Leach took the 109th passing team to 20th WITHOUT the ability to install the system properly due to covid.

It's coaching.

[KB21]

Ding friggin ding ding!

I'm really wondering if we have an offensive coordinator who is running a scheme that he really doesn't know that well? Barbay is definitely trying to install the Appalachian State wide zone scheme at Mississippi State. The thing is, last year is the only year he coached in that scheme. Their head coach, Shawn Clark, has coached that scheme for years. They ran that scheme when he was the OL coach for Scott Satterfield and when he was the offensive coordinator for Eliah Drinkwitz. That's what they do. They major in the wide zone, and everything else works off that wide zone run base scheme. Barbay has coached for years with Jim McElwain. Jim is definitely a pro style coach and runs some wide zone, but it has never been the base for his offense. Jim has mostly been an inside zone guy who sprinkles in some gap scheme.

Barbay seems to not really know how to make the wide zone run play work out of 10 personnel or 20 personnel, and he's really struggling with connecting the passing scheme to the running scheme.

[dawgday166]

FWIW ... I'm pretty underwhelmed by Barbay interviews. I always get feeling I'm listening to a politician.

[Maverick91]

FWIW ... I'm pretty underwhelmed by Barbay interviews. I always get feeling I'm listening to a politician.

Lol if you watch yesterday interview. He thanked the press guys for softball questions.

[dawgday166]

Lol if you watch yesterday interview. He thanked the press guys for softball questions.

Yea. I also always get the feeling he's in way over his head at this point in his career. Not saying he won't learn, grow, and mature but from listening to him I personally think he needs more experience.

[KB21]

https://americaswargame.substack.com...p-on-offensive

This is an article that was written by Ian Boyd, who is very good. It's an interview he did with Dave Aranda at Baylor. I would like to see someone do this with Zach Arnett. I'd like to know if Zach went into the coordinator search to hire a coach that is going to run the wide zone scheme and what his reasons for that decision were. Dave Aranda gives very detailed reasoning on why he specifically targeted Jeff Grimes to be his offensive coordinator. He basically said that in his first year, he tried to run what they ran at LSU in 2019, but he realized that he couldn't run that scheme at Baylor. So, he looked at the wide zone as a way to combat the style of defenses that are in the Big 12. Most of the teams in the Big 12 run a version of the 3-3-5 flyover scheme made popular by Iowa State. He felt the wide zone was a way that he could attack that scheme and run the ball when there was a talent gap between his team and the opponents.

Dave Aranda is a coach that I consider to be highly intelligent. He's not your typical defensive minded meathead of a coach who just wants to run the ball and play field position. I mean, he basically said that the two hardest things to do in college football are to run the inside zone and have a legit drop back passing game.

[Goldendawg]

I'm really wondering if we have an offensive coordinator who is running a scheme that he really doesn't know that well? Barbay is definitely trying to install the Appalachian State wide zone scheme at Mississippi State. The thing is, last year is the only year he coached in that scheme. Their head coach, Shawn Clark, has coached that scheme for years. They ran that scheme when he was the OL coach for Scott Satterfield and when he was the offensive coordinator for Eliah Drinkwitz. That's what they do. They major in the wide zone, and everything else works off that wide zone run base scheme. Barbay has coached for years with Jim McElwain. Jim is definitely a pro style coach and runs some wide zone, but it has never been the base for his offense. Jim has mostly been an inside zone guy who sprinkles in some gap scheme.

Barbay seems to not really know how to make the wide zone run play work out of 10 personnel or 20 personnel, and he's really struggling with connecting the passing scheme to the running scheme.

At this point, it appears many of our new coaching staff have exceeded their ceilings in the profession. Haven't felt this discouraged since the Croom /JoMo years as an adult or even the Shira years as a young boy.

[KB21]

Neither one of the OL coaches are versed in the wide zone scheme they are trying to run either, which also means the TE's coach isn't versed in this scheme. Tony Hughes and Greg Knox? Nope. Bumphis. Yes. He was on Liepold's staff at Buffalo, and they ran wide zone.

[Goldendawg]

Yea. I also always get the feeling he's in way over his head at this point in his career. Not saying he won't learn, grow, and mature but from listening to him I personally think he needs more experience.

But why does it always seem to to be us as an on the job training site on so many levels including AD, HC, OC, DC, etc?