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07-14-2023, 11:54 AM
#841
Our (projected) returning Pitchers 2023 stats for comparison
Loftin- 26.1 innings, 3.08 era, 43 K's, 28 BB, .146 Opponents BA, 1.53 K/BB(mostly midweek competition)
Cijntje- 50 innings, 8.1 era, 63 K's, 34 BB, .238 Opponents BA, 1.85 K/BB
Holcombe- 36 innings, 8.25 era, 49 K's, 42 BB, .228 Opponents BA, 1.17 K/BB
Dohm- 42 innings, 4.07 era, 49 K's, 12 BB, .258 Opponents BA, 4.08 K/BB
Nixon- 20.1 innings, 2.66 era, 24 K's, 10 BB, .159 Opponents BA, 2.4 K/BB
Siary- 28 innings, 7.07 era, 28 K's, 12 BB, .299 Opponents BA, 2.33 K/BB
Davis- 22.2 innings, 9.13 era, 21 K's, 21 BB, .316 Opponents BA, 1.0 K/BB
2022
Auger- 20.2 innings, 3.05 era, 27 K's, 12 BB, .219 Opponents BA, 2.25 K/BB
Kohn- 36.2 innings, 4.91 era, 35 K's, 18 BB, .255 Opponents BA, 1.94 K/BB (may not return in 2023) (new 1 base coach?)
2021
Simmons- 24.1 innings, 4.81 era, 29 K's, 8 BB, .234 Opponents BA, 3.63 K/BB
K/BB= Strikeout to walk ratio
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07-14-2023, 11:59 AM
#842

Originally Posted by
The Federalist Engineer
By damn, the Best Catcher in the Nation is in the Portal.
Malcom Moore of Stanford a Freshman All American, PAC-12 Freshman of the Year, and future top-10 pick.
MSU has a catcher, a Freshman, a Madison Central guy that could help MSU land Braden Montgomery. So, we are probably not in the mix.
Nah. Montgomery probably said let?s get the heck out of Satan?s playpen and go to God?s Country together! Starkvegas Baby!
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07-14-2023, 12:19 PM
#843

Originally Posted by
Cooterpoot
Moore is a stud but we're full at C now. Somebody must have gotten to him. That would be a big money grab like LSU or somebody if I was guessing. He's from Cali, so seems odd. Maybe he's trying to get more from Stanford.
Coot, I was told by a friend who knows Lsu "connections", word is their NIL money "ain't what it use to be", seems some of the high dollar companies such as oil and gas aren't dishing out the money like last year. I suppose they can do what they always do and steal from a hospital.
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07-14-2023, 12:31 PM
#844

Originally Posted by
basedog
Coot, I was told by a friend who knows Lsu "connections", word is their NIL money "ain't what it use to be", seems some of the high dollar companies such as oil and gas aren't dishing out the money like last year. I suppose they can do what they always do and steal from a hospital.
I'd heard they're not where they were last year. But they can get a couple players. I told some folks our money today is as good as anyone in the country. I haven't looked at the portal much lately outside of pitching. I know we're on a couple more arms. That's really all I'm worried about. I didn't notice Moore in the portal. He would be Tommy White/Skenes type of grab.
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07-14-2023, 01:04 PM
#845

Originally Posted by
basedog
Coot, I was told by a friend who knows Lsu "connections", word is their NIL money "ain't what it use to be", seems some of the high dollar companies such as oil and gas aren't dishing out the money like last year. I suppose they can do what they always do and steal from a hospital.
Maybe the bat company that gave them all the $ last year got pushback and quit
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07-14-2023, 01:10 PM
#846

Originally Posted by
Todd4State
This is going to sound crazy...
But in the fall and spring I would look to see if Cupp and Mershon could potentially play CF. Could be a good way to get both of them in the lineup at the same time and could potentially make us really good defensively if they can handle it.
Food for thought.
Cupp is a big time ss. Mershon is more of a second baseman that can be ok at short. Cupp I can assure you didn't come here to play cf and he doesn't profile as an Of w his bar anyway.
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07-14-2023, 01:12 PM
#847
What bothers me is that some people around here dont understand the problem of putting people out there in situations they arent ready for makes them look worse than they really are.
1. Loo- SS who also pitched. Potential top 3 round guy as a SS- decided he wanted to become a pitcher full-time. Has tremendous arm talent but in no way was he ready to be an SEC SP as a true freshman. Our previous lack of recruiting forced him into a situation he just wasnt ready for and we got the expected results. I expect him to have a big jump in 24 now that he has that experience and should be ready for prime time. Will be a Top 5 round draft pick next summer
2. Holcombe- Country ass Bama Gump who went juco...has arm talent but needed a year to develop and get around 20 innings- instead got twice that. Walked 42 batters in 36 innings and that will almost assuredly improve in 24. Teams only hit .228 against him. Expect him to really improve in 24 and likely drafted in the Top 8 rounds
3. Bradley Loftin- 3.08 ERA as a Freshman almost entirely from midweek duty. Only gave up 13 hits in 26.1 innings of work while striking out 43. Problem was the walks with 28. Teams only hit .146 against him. Missed most of April and all of May with an elbow clean-up. Will be ready to go this Fall. Expect him to push for a weekend spot in the rotation. Another Top 5 round pick on the mound for us in 25.
4. Evan Siary- another true freshman that had to learn quickly. Showed flashes at times like a true freshman does and also got roughed up some as a true freshman usually does. Appeared to get tired down the stretch- giving up 9 of his 22 earned runs in 3 of his last 4 appearances. Expect him to be improved out of the pen in 24
Expecting these guys to make jumps is not unreasonable or "homerish" but actually is expected due to their talent. Throw in Simmons, Auger, Dohm, Nixon, Tapper, the Miami guy, and possibly one more transfer arm and our pitching should be very improved in 2024.
Last edited by Coach34; 07-14-2023 at 01:34 PM.
Walk like the King or walk like you don't care who the King is
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07-14-2023, 01:19 PM
#848
And you can add Highfill too. Never been a great bat but he's a great athlete that can be a great receiver/defender.
Then you've got Hujsak who had to adjust and is destroying it this summer.
Potential is high with this team. It's just potential but they've got fall to figure it all out. Just add the guys we need and let's roll.
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07-14-2023, 01:37 PM
#849
"You can't reson someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into". I get it, yall want us to be good again. But all I'm seeing is arguments saying "X situation COULD go good for us, therefore it WILL". like yeah Hujesak COULD be what he's showing right now, bit 3 months ago he couldn't hit. Seems more likely he's on a hot streak/is facing bad pitching vs he's suddenly turned into a stud.if he has, isn't that quite an entitement on Jake G? He hits .227 under his coaching and 2 weeks with a new coach turns him into a stud?
I also see the argument "well we COULD have no injuries next year, therefore you're being ridiculous for saying we will". I'm basing my argument onthis based on history.
"Loo/Holcombe/Loftin/Siary have the talent to be good, therefore they will". Well, every SEC team has talented guys that don't pan out. Many others that do pan out take more than 1 offseaon with a real PC. Most guys don't go from ERAS of 8+ to studs overnight. That's the statistical truth. I made a li g comment above where I counted out pitching and I was more than fair in assuming what improvements they'd make.
At the end of the day, our HC is the same guy that ran us off the rails, and our team is mostly the same roster that finished 13th last year. Is there potential? YES! Is it statistically likely all these breaks will go our way? NO.
all I know is a lot of crow will be eaten next season. I hope it's me, I really do.
Last edited by the_real_MSU_is_us; 07-14-2023 at 01:55 PM.
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07-14-2023, 01:38 PM
#850
We've got to get the culture and chemistry piece right too.
Nobody talks about it, but we hired a new S&C guy in January.
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07-14-2023, 01:40 PM
#851

Originally Posted by
confucius say
Maybe the bat company that gave them all the $ last year got pushback and quit
Lots of companies especially in south La have cut cost and NIL giving to the Corndogs.
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07-14-2023, 01:40 PM
#852

Originally Posted by
the_real_MSU_is_us
"You can't reson someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into". I get it, yall want us to be good again. But all I'm seeing is arguments saying "X situation COULD go good for us, therefore it WILL". like yeah Hujesak COULD be what he's showing right now, bit 3 months ago he couldn't hit. Seems more likely he's on a hot streak/is facing bad pitching vs he's suddenly turned into a stud.if he has, isn't that quite an entitement on Jake G? He hits .227 under his coaching and 2 weeks with a new coach turns him into a stud?
I also see the argument "well we COULD have no injuries next year, therefore you're being ridiculous for saying we will". I'm basing my argument onthis based on history.
"Loo/Holcombe/Loftin/Siary have the talent to be good, therefore they will". Well, every SEC team has talented guys that don't pan out. Many others that do pan out take more than 1 offseaon with a real PC. Most guys don't go from ERAS of 8+ to studs overnight. That's the statistical truth. I made a li g comment above where I counted out pitching and I was more than fair in assuming what improvements they'd make.
At the end of the day, our HC is the same guy that ran us off the rails, and our team is mostly the same roster that finished 23th last year. Is there potential? YES! Is it statistically likely all these breaks will go our way? NO.
all I know is a lot of crow will be eaten next season. I hope it's me, I really do.
I'll be surprised if we're not a 2 seed
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07-14-2023, 01:44 PM
#853

Originally Posted by
confucius say
We've got to get the culture and chemistry piece right too.
Nobody talks about it, but we hired a new S&C guy in January.
(This is all rehashing) The biggest problem was poor talent evals and no development. We really have signed subpar talent. Then, we blindly stuck with them and couldn't see they sucked. That's got to stop. It was lazy. Now they're feeling the urgency. But again, we all know that. So let's see what happens with this portsl class first and the season next. Then, we can all point fingers or high five.
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07-14-2023, 01:52 PM
#854

Originally Posted by
the_real_MSU_is_us
I also see the argument "well we COULD have no injuries next year, therefore you're being ridiculous for saying we will". I'm basing my argument onthis based on history.
"Loo/Holcombe/Loftin/Siary have the talent to be good, therefore they will". Well, every SEC team has talented guys that don't pan out.
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Much higher percentage of guys panning out that struggle as Freshmen and then have great careers afterwards
Walk like the King or walk like you don't care who the King is
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07-14-2023, 01:59 PM
#855

Originally Posted by
Coach34
What bothers me is that some people around here dont understand the problem of putting people out there in situations they arent ready for makes them look worse than they really are.
1. Loo- SS who also pitched. Potential top 3 round guy as a SS- decided he wanted to become a pitcher full-time. Has tremendous arm talent but in no way was he ready to be an SEC SP as a true freshman. Our previous lack of recruiting forced him into a situation he just wasnt ready for and we got the expected results. I expect him to have a big jump in 24 now that he has that experience and should be ready for prime time. Will be a Top 5 round draft pick next summer
2. Holcombe- Country ass Bama Gump who went juco...has arm talent but needed a year to develop and get around 20 innings- instead got twice that. Walked 42 batters in 36 innings and that will almost assuredly improve in 24. Teams only hit .228 against him. Expect him to really improve in 24 and likely drafted in the Top 8 rounds
3. Bradley Loftin- 3.08 ERA as a Freshman almost entirely from midweek duty. Only gave up 13 hits in 26.1 innings of work while striking out 43. Problem was the walks with 28. Teams only hit .146 against him. Missed most of April and all of May with an elbow clean-up. Will be ready to go this Fall. Expect him to push for a weekend spot in the rotation. Another Top 5 round pick on the mound for us in 25.
4. Evan Siary- another true freshman that had to learn quickly. Showed flashes at times like a true freshman does and also got roughed up some as a true freshman usually does. Appeared to get tired down the stretch- giving up 9 of his 22 earned runs in 3 of his last 4 appearances. Expect him to be improved out of the pen in 24
Expecting these guys to make jumps is not unreasonable or "homerish" but actually is expected due to their talent. Throw in Simmons, Auger, Dohm, Nixon, Tapper, the Miami guy, and possibly one more transfer arm and our pitching should be very improved in 2024.
I think that a major issue about the perception of this is that we were so deep in pitching from 2012-2021 that a lot of people have forgotten how easily injuries can derail a pitching staff. It seems that every year we had a key guy go down, but someone was able to step up and fill the gap. Even at our ebb when we had guys like Jake Mangum, Brant Blaylock and even Brent Rooker out on the mound we somehow found ways to win. That's some elite competitiveness, likely great coaching, and shear dumb luck gracing us for a decade. Well - the past 2 years have shown what injuries normally do to teams if they don't have those intangibles, and it sucks. I really do hope that Parker can right us on the coaching front, and these kids that have shown some talent can develop and buy us some time to get the depth back to where it was.
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07-14-2023, 02:10 PM
#856
People also want to forget about the new pitch clock and the juiced ball. Pitching took a hit all over college baseball. Most people here were saying LSU pitching sucked outside of Skenes, but they got rolling in post season. Got a couple guys back, adjusted, and some guys made the jump. That's all it takes.
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07-14-2023, 02:21 PM
#857

Originally Posted by
confucius say
I'll be surprised if we're not a 2 seed
Probably will yeah. Top 5 fanbase, top 5 coaching salaries, top 5 in NIL, top 10 classes every year, top 1 in fan support, and we'll end up in the 17-32 range. And you know what? That's both good enough to keep Lemo another season, AND it's better than we'll be in '25. He aint it, or we wouldn't have finished 14th and 13th these past 2 seasons.
Should have fired him and brought in a better coach. We're extending the mediocrity 2, 3 more years and digging the program deeper into a hole.
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07-14-2023, 03:44 PM
#858

Originally Posted by
the_real_MSU_is_us
Probably will yeah. Top 5 fanbase, top 5 coaching salaries, top 5 in NIL, top 10 classes every year, top 1 in fan support, and we'll end up in the 17-32 range. And you know what? That's both good enough to keep Lemo another season, AND it's better than we'll be in '25. He aint it, or we wouldn't have finished 14th and 13th these past 2 seasons.
Should have fired him and brought in a better coach. We're extending the mediocrity 2, 3 more years and digging the program deeper into a hole.
LOL
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07-14-2023, 03:51 PM
#859

Originally Posted by
Coach34
Much higher percentage of guys panning out that struggle as Freshmen and then have great careers afterwards
This^^ people either don't see it or don't want to believe it, more fr struggle than succeed. In all sports. JUst a fact. Look at kemp alderman, he couldn't hit a bull in the ass with a quilt as a fr. He was a pretty good hitter. Jake Mangum's are rare, very.
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07-14-2023, 03:58 PM
#860

Originally Posted by
the_real_MSU_is_us
Probably will yeah. Top 5 fanbase, top 5 coaching salaries, top 5 in NIL, top 10 classes every year, top 1 in fan support, and we'll end up in the 17-32 range. And you know what? That's both good enough to keep Lemo another season, AND it's better than we'll be in '25. He aint it, or we wouldn't have finished 14th and 13th these past 2 seasons.
Should have fired him and brought in a better coach. We're extending the mediocrity 2, 3 more years and digging the program deeper into a hole.
We shall see but yeah, just from looking at the current roster I agree that '25 doesn't look stellar but a lot of things can change in two years. Of course with NIL and the portal things can change rather quickly but thus far we haven't shown the ability to go out and land enough of the big name transfers to turn a program around in a single year. We're not LSU, our program has to be built. Even if we have a decent '24, if '25 goes like the last two years we'd have to make a move.
Last edited by Saltydog; 07-14-2023 at 05:36 PM.
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