Bruce Pearl to auburn

[shannondawg]

Coach is correct that we should have baited the trap with more money for a coach. It doesn't take a genius to figure that with the lost revenue yhsy we will be getting from lost seat purchases next year, its already going to be costing us what it would have cost to get a good proven coach and we still got Ray.

[TrueMaroon]

Nobody supports drug use. Nobody said our new coach wasn't going to have a rough time. The problem is that the two worst basketball teams in the conference were able to go out and hire proven, SUCCESSFUL, name coaches. Coaches who have made deep runs into the tournament. Our inept athletic department could not. That's not too hard to understand.

[Dawg61]

LOL. "Makings of a fairly good team" = 1 returning starter(who was most likely leaving anyway) -- and one bench player that got meaningful minutes. Yeah -- that was the "makings of a good team"...

Good to know you support drug abuse and lack of player accountability though... It makes the rest of your stance quite clear...

I wanted Stans gone like the rest but no way he loses all of Moultrie, Hood, Sidney, Kristers, S. Smith, Lewis, Steele, Gray, D. Smith, Applewhite and doesn't get Daniels, Denson, Ndoye able to play like Brick Ray hasn't been able to. That's an entire basketball team. 13 players that at one point were either on the basketball team, signed or committed since Ray took over that have left. Is it fair to put all those on Ray? Of course not but what happens if Stricklin hires someone like Bruce Pearl two years ago. Do 13 players leave or no longer sign up for MSU basketball when he gets hired? **** no. Brick Ray is in over his head. He's competing directly against John Calipari, Billy Donovan, Bruce Pearl, Mike Anderson, and even Frank Martin. Scott Stricklin can pack his bags.

[C222]

I'll say this and always wondered- since we were having the problems we were in luring a coach because of the situation- why did we not step up and throw some money out there? Money talks and if it means paying 2.2 or so for the right guy then you do it.

That I don't know. That's probably what everyone is referring when they say Scott botched the hire. I guess he wasn't willing to pay that kind of money. All I know, and it's just what someone told me, is that we were told no by alot of people. Some even more than once (Prohm).

[smootness]

Great points and if you can't tell Martin is VERY close to turning it around at SC . They only lose 1 player off their roster this year

You mean same as us? But I keep hearing that our players clearly won't ever be good enough because they weren't good enough this year. Apparently, though, SC will improve just by returning the players that led to their bad record while we will continue to be just as bad. Good to know!

[HailState39110]

You also left Johnny Jones off that list who is a Dale Brown disciple . LSU has already committed to going back to the 'Dale Brown' way of doing things. Ray has an uphill battle for sure

[Dawg61]

Ray was brought in to clean up the mess- it was known before time he was going to run off a few because of the drug problems. This was a surprise to nobody

Ok he gutted the program. Fine. Best to bring on a guy that can compete against Calipari, Donovan, Pearl, Martin and Anderson now so he can build his roster full with his players then wait 2 years and the next new guy has to gut it out again. Do I feel bad for Rick Ray? Not even slightly. He just made more money in the last two years than he would of made as an assistant at Clemson in ten years. He's got over 2 MILLION from MSU. Auburn just hired BRUCE PEARL. End this ****ing disaster hire RIGHT NOW!!!!

[smootness]

I wanted Stans gone like the rest but no way he loses all of Moultrie, Hood, Sidney, Kristers, S. Smith, Lewis, Steele, Gray, D. Smith, Applewhite and doesn't get Daniels, Denson, Ndoye able to play like Brick Ray hasn't been able to. That's an entire basketball team. 13 players that at one point were either on the basketball team, signed or committed since Ray took over that have left.

Moultrie was gone no matter what. Sidney was gone, and nobody wanted him back anyway. Hood was clearly gone - it doesn't take much to see that was going to happen. Continuing to act as though Ray botched something because he left is absurd. Applewhite would not be here, so not sure why his name was mentioned - Ray is the one that brought him in. Same with Daniels, Denson, and Ndoye - they were all Ray recruits, and we'll have Daniels and Ndoye next year.

And keeping guys like Zeidaks, Steele, Gray, Smith, and Lewis is exactly why our program had begun to trend downward to begin with. But you're telling me a team of those guys right there would be a success just because Stans was the coach? Please.

what happens if Stricklin hires someone like Bruce Pearl two years ago. Do 13 players leave or no longer sign up for MSU basketball when he gets hired?

Name me the big-name guys who were in such miserable position with the NCAA that they had no better options than a place like Auburn who were available two years ago. You say 'someone like Bruce Pearl', so tell me who was available we could have gotten - or do you just mean someone who still had a show-cause for 5 more months? Because I guarantee you people like you would be whining about that as soon as they saw what his initial recruiting looked like. After all, the number one goal of any coach is to have 13 guys on the bench at any point in time.

[thunderclap]

This thread has record length potential.

[Dawg61]

That I don't know. That's probably what everyone is referring when they say Scott botched the hire. I guess he wasn't willing to pay that kind of money. All I know, and it's just what someone told me, is that we were told no by alot of people. Some even more than once (Prohm).

It's funny sometimes what new money does to some people. Some spend like crazy. Others (MSU) tighten their assholes and save it for another day. We've got plenty of money to pay for a great basketball coach. Can we not multitask at MSU at all? "Don't spend ANY money while we are finishing the football stadium". Guess what's next? A new baseball stadium. So Stricklin's tight ass isn't going to spend shit on basketball till the new baseball stadium is done. Yay we are guaranteed to suck monster balls for 5 more years. Engie I bet we ain't pulling in $6 million in basketball now.

[fishwater99]

Was Pearl's Show Clause up when we hired Ray?

Pearl can not have contact with a recruit until August 2014, I do believe.

[Dawg61]

Pearl can not have contact with a recruit until August 2014, I do believe.

August 23rd he can start having direct contact.

[Coach34]

I wanted Stans gone like the rest but no way he loses all of Moultrie, Hood, Sidney, Kristers, S. Smith, Lewis, Steele, Gray, D. Smith, Applewhite and doesn't get Daniels, Denson, Ndoye able to play like Brick Ray hasn't been able to. That's an entire basketball team. 13 players that at one point were either on the basketball team, signed or committed since Ray took over that have left. Is it fair to put all those on Ray? Of course not but what happens if Stricklin hires someone like Bruce Pearl two years ago. Do 13 players leave or no longer sign up for MSU basketball when he gets hired? **** no. Brick Ray is in over his head. He's competing directly against John Calipari, Billy Donovan, Bruce Pearl, Mike Anderson, and even Frank Martin. Scott Stricklin can pack his bags.

moultrie went 1st round
Smith and Sidney were told to leave- they didnt have a place here anymore. That came from the AD office
We've argued Hood to death
Steele was coming off an injury

Zedakis couldn't even cut it at Grand Valley ****ing State
Shaun Smuth is changing oil somewhere
Wendell Lewis was a back-up player at best

Stands went 16-16 with an easy OOC, Jamont and Rhodes after losing everybody in 2006- and what was left wouldn't have been as good as 2006

[chef dixon]

At least we will beat Auburn in football this year.

[shannondawg]

Ray was brought in to clean up the mess- it was known before time he was going to run off a few because of the drug problems. This was a surprise to nobody

So you are saying he was the correct hire?

[Coach34]

All I know, and it's just what someone told me, is that we were told no by alot of people. Some even more than once (Prohm).

Yeah, I knew that. But I dont think alot of people turned down $2MM because it wasnt offered to them

[Coach34]

So you are saying he was the correct hire?

No- I'm saying alot of what he has done was in his job description when he was hired

[shannondawg]

No- I'm saying alot of what he has done was in his job description when he was hired

We can argue it til the cows come home, but the bottom line, is Scott Stricklin screwed up. The pitiful thing is he won't have to pay for it as long as Keenum is president.,. My understanding is they both go to the same Church and have the same mind set..

[Coach34]

We can argue it til the cows come home, but the bottom line, is Scott Stricklin screwed up. .

I havent really seen anybody argue different. When we were having problems making a hire- we should have upped the ante

My biggest contention though is that Ray cant adequately be judged yet. He is on the clock now- it's time for him to, as Crooms said "be good or be gone". Ray needs to start winning games now- rebuilding and culture changing is over

[TexasDawg]

I havent really seen anybody argue different. When we were having problems making a hire- we should have upped the ante

My biggest contention though is that Ray cant adequately be judged yet. He is on the clock now- it's time for him to, as Crooms said "be good or be gone". Ray needs to start winning games now- rebuilding and culture changing is over

Do you still believe Ray gets a 4th year no matter what? Or do you want him gone if he shits the bed?