I'm really liking the way we are trending with QB's

[HancockCountyDog]

Our new OC is not 60-40 run tho. That's why people are looking at you as a dumbass. You are making an argument that doesnt exist

I think the numbers show that he is 55-45 run. A quick look at the numbers:

2022 - App State - roughly 55/45
2021 - Central Michigan - 52/48
2020 - Central Michigan - 61/39

I think he is really balanced, but he favors the run, which is fine by me. I think our program is built to run the ball. I hope we get a mobile QB and incorporate that into his offense. I haven't seen that yet, and I think that is crucial in success in the SEC for a team like ours.

[662dawg]

Clark already said it above, but I'm going to add again because it needs to be pointed out a lot. What modern AR guy did we miss out on (that we could've actually gotten) who has a track record of more than 1 year of success?

This honestly isn't even worthy of a response since you are calling this a ground and pound system, you're being intellectual dishonest because you can't actually argue that he's a bad OC hire.

I say all this to say, anyone who is still being extremely critical of Arnett at this point is either just mad in general that he's the guy or they have no idea what they are talking about related to football. I've been extremely critical of him lately, but said from the get go, if he hired a good OC I'd lay off. Barbay is just about as good as we could've hoped once you get past the Briles, Riley's, and Kittley's of the world.

And there's a possibility that he's just as good as those 3 once he gets the same caliber of talent they always have.

[HancockCountyDog]

Why will it be harder here than ole miss? Or ark? Or any other similar program?? You're just beating your head against the wall throwing a fit bc we aren't true air raid! I would understand if we lit the sec up with it, but we didn't.

Also, who were the big name WR's lining up to come play for a true Air Raid? I mean, our WR recruiting has been below average for quite some time. It didn't seem to make a difference that we were throwing it 50 times a game to HS receivers?

THe kid from Ridgeland is a damn stud, and he goes to a team that ran the ball 60/40 over a team that passed it 70/30. So yeah, I don't think the new offense will hurt our WR recruiting.

[Coach34]

I think the numbers show that he is 55-45 run. A quick look at the numbers:

2022 - App State - roughly 55/45
2021 - Central Michigan - 52/48
2020 - Central Michigan - 61/39

I think he is really balanced, but he favors the run, which is fine by me. I think our program is built to run the ball. I hope we get a mobile QB and incorporate that into his offense. I haven't seen that yet, and I think that is crucial in success in the SEC for a team like ours.

He wasnt the OC in 2020

[mo7888]

It really doesnt matter. We arent ever going to be in the Top 5-10 or win anything in football. We havent beaten Bama since 2007 and wont anytime soon. We wont beat a Kirby Smart Georgia team. We're not going to beat an LSU team capable of winning the SEC. We have a few wins vs them when they fall back some from time to time.
We just have to remain a 6-8 win team and take advantage when we can win a 9th or 10th game every few years

So the goal is mediocrity... then pretty much anybody who can run an organization efficiently can do that... Obviously, I disagree with your premise but, if that's you're goal then this will probably meet that low floor....

I do appreciate that honesty though...and that's not sarcasm..

[Really Clark?]

I'm not discounting Barbay...I'm not even saying he isn't a good OC... I'm saying his offense limits our ceiling in the long run and lowers our floor in the short term because our players don't fit...

You have no basis or metric that says it lowers our ceiling or floor. You think it will but there is no facts to back up your opinion. He may be horrible but you don't know that. His recent success flys in the face of your opinion.

All this still boils down to one thing. Several of you are absolutely devoted Air Raid followers. That's the only thing that matters to you. I follow State and not blindly following an offensive system.

[HancockCountyDog]

He wasnt the OC in 2020

Ok - i still think he favors the run - he really did in the A&M game. Which is ok, hell I thought for sure you would be happy that we have a guy that is going to pound the rock.

I mean look at their wins:

A&M - 52 rushes - 30 passes
Troy - 34 rushes - 34 passes
Citadel - 26 rushes - 21 passes
Georgia State - 64 rushes - 17 passes
Robert Morris - 43 rushes - 29 passes
Old Dominion - 42 rushes - 21 passes

So by my quick math in their 6 wins - they rushed it 261 times and passed it 152.

That is a 64/36 run pass split.

I mean, its safe to say that what he wants to do is run the ball.

[Really Clark?]

Ok - i still think he favors the run - he really did in the A&M game. Which is ok, hell I thought for sure you would be happy that we have a guy that is going to pound the rock.

I mean look at their wins:

A&M - 52 rushes - 30 passes
Troy - 34 rushes - 34 passes
Citadel - 26 rushes - 21 passes
Georgia State - 64 rushes - 17 passes
Robert Morris - 43 rushes - 29 passes
Old Dominion - 42 rushes - 21 passes

So by my quick math in their 6 wins - they rushed it 261 times and passed it 152.

That is a 64/36 run pass split.

I mean, its safe to say that what he wants to do is run the ball.

And his CMU year?

App St HC wanted it ran more and look at the 2 years prior run : pass percentage at App

[mo7888]

You have no basis or metric that says it lowers our ceiling or floor. You think it will but there is no facts to back up your opinion. He may be horrible but you don't know that. His recent success flys in the face of your opinion.

All this still boils down to one thing. Several of you are absolutely devoted Air Raid followers. That's the only thing that matters to you. I follow State and not blindly following an offensive system.

I don't know that he's horrible...and I don't claim that he is....but a metric to say it lowers our ceiling? Really Clark? Everybody on this board that's followed this team for 30 or 40 years has seen this metric play out....

I assume you're in the C34 boat and mediocrity is your goal too....we can reach that with this system and we can reach it with the AR....but the AR is the only that allows us the chance to do better than that... it's not an allegiance to ML... or a pure AR... it's about not being tied to mediocrity and liking it....

[KB21]

Ok - i still think he favors the run - he really did in the A&M game. Which is ok, hell I thought for sure you would be happy that we have a guy that is going to pound the rock.

I mean look at their wins:

A&M - 52 rushes - 30 passes
Troy - 34 rushes - 34 passes
Citadel - 26 rushes - 21 passes
Georgia State - 64 rushes - 17 passes
Robert Morris - 43 rushes - 29 passes
Old Dominion - 42 rushes - 21 passes

So by my quick math in their 6 wins - they rushed it 261 times and passed it 152.

That is a 64/36 run pass split.

I mean, its safe to say that what he wants to do is run the ball.

Watching an offense that run heavy will be like watching paint dry. It's like bunting in baseball.

[662dawg]

Has anyone ever seen mo & KB in a room together at the same time?

[662dawg]

Watching an offense that run heavy will be like watching paint dry. It's like bunting in baseball.

Know what's more like watching paint dry? Dump off passes to the running backs half the game & 3 yard slants the other half.

[Homedawg]

Watching an offense that run heavy will be like watching paint dry. It's like bunting in baseball.

Leach's offense was what you just described. We just passed it. But paint drying a perfect way of describing it!

[KB21]

Leach's offense was what you just described. We just passed it. But paint drying a perfect way of describing it!

Nonsense. Leach's offense is thoroughly enjoyable to watch. The opportunities for big plays were there, but I definitely prefer to get 6-8 yards per pass in the passing game rather than 3-4 per run in the running game.

[CoachT14]

Watching an offense that run heavy will be like watching paint dry. It's like bunting in baseball.

Because watching this offense the last 3 years against Top 80 defenses hasn’t been like watching paint dry right?

[Really Clark?]

I don't know that he's horrible...and I don't claim that he is....but a metric to say it lowers our ceiling? Really Clark? Everybody on this board that's followed this team for 30 or 40 years has seen this metric play out....

I assume you're in the C34 boat and mediocrity is your goal too....we can reach that with this system and we can reach it with the AR....but the AR is the only that allows us the chance to do better than that... it's not an allegiance to ML... or a pure AR... it's about not being tied to mediocrity and liking it....

It's just foolish to believe that Air Raid is the only offense we can run to not be avg. And if that's your selling point, the last 3 years didn't get it done either. We have been average to below average for the last 3 years with the Air Raid. How bout we just hire the best offensive mind we can without it having to be a certain system. Especially since there was not 1 legitimate AR guy available fot us to hire. Harrell, already at another school. Littrell, turned us down. Kittley, turned us down. Hatcher, wasn't leaving a HC position. At the end of the day, staying AR wasn't happening because there was no one realistically available.

[Coach34]

So the goal is mediocrity... then pretty much anybody who can run an organization efficiently can do that... Obviously, I disagree with your premise but, if that's you're goal then this will probably meet that low floor....

I do appreciate that honesty though...and that's not sarcasm..

You just have to be based in reality. We weren't going to win anything with the AR either. Any defense with a pulse shut it down. 1 TD in garbage time in 3 years vs Bama. 1 offensive TD vs Georgia this year.

We havent won the SEC since 1941. We arent going to win in my lifetime. It is what it is.

[Really Clark?]

Nonsense. Leach's offense is thoroughly enjoyable to watch. The opportunities for big plays were there, but I definitely prefer to get 6-8 yards per pass in the passing game rather than 3-4 per run in the running game.

Like Tampa throwing it 85% of the time last night. That's was fun for you I'm sure.

[mo7888]

Has anyone ever seen mo & KB in a room together at the same time?

Actually, I believe we were on the opposite sides of this argument back on the board Paul ran before he joined scout... that's a long time..

[Bubb Rubb]

It's clearly not veer and shoot. Barbay doesn't run the exaggerated wide splits at the WR spots, and he also doesn't have that style running game. He runs Jim McElwain's offense. It's a pro style offense based on a zone running game.

Did you not even read my post about putting labels on offenses?

With all due respect, you are way out of your depth on this topic.