Kiffin's Offical Contract Sheet

[WinningIsRelentless]

What?? No player is employed by the university. How did you jump to that conclusion?

Students are not university employees. Unless it?s a service academy, no NIL.

Y?all keep thinking that. The state can?t do anything about what the collective enters into.

I know see why we tend to always behind the curve. We never think outside the box.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Its almost as bad as their offense is after the first quarter

[State82]

State employees have side jobs all the time. You don't think engineers with the state don't do private consulting? Happens all the time. Just as long as it doesn't interfere with their state job. I do not see how he could be prohibited from "consulting" with another entity.

[Really Clark?]

State employees have side jobs all the time. You don't think engineers with the state don't do private consulting? Happens all the time. Just as long as it doesn't interfere with their state job. I do not see how he could be prohibited from "consulting" with another entity.

We are talking about his contract to coach for a public university, employed by the university. He can make $20 Mil a year for 20 years giving talks and handjobs to the private foundation outside of the university. That's irrelevant to an employee's contract with the university that must be ratified by the IHL board and comply with state law. Coaches do outside speaking engagements, clinics, etc. for fees all the time. That is not tied to the university contract. He does not have a contract to coach for OM for more than 4 years and for more money than what was listed on the term sheet. He cannot and a private foundation can't do that.

[Leroy Jenkins]

Y?all keep thinking that. The state can?t do anything about what the collective enters into.

I know see why we tend to always behind the curve. We never think outside the box.

Behind what curve? You mean the perception curve? Where were they ranked this year?

[Really Clark?]

Y?all keep thinking that. The state can?t do anything about what the collective enters into.

I know see why we tend to always behind the curve. We never think outside the box.

Keep thinking what? You are completely wrong if you think any player is an employee of the state.

[WinningIsRelentless]

What?? No player is employed by the university. How did you jump to that conclusion?

Students are not university employees. Unless its a service academy, no NIL.

Keep thinking what? You are completely wrong if you think any player is an employee of the state.

And you are wrong if you think Kiffin can?t sign a 6 or 8 year deal with the grove collective.

[Really Clark?]

And you are wrong if you think Kiffin can?t sign a 6 or 8 year deal with the grove collective.

You said players like they are state employees. You are as wrong as you can be. You are now going back to Kiffin since you realize that was completely inaccurate. He cannot sign a contract to COACH for OM as an employee of the state of MS for more than 4 years. No matter who is paying, private or otherwise. This is why the term sheet of his contract that was obtained through FOA is for 4 years only. Period. Believe what you want but no matter how many times they announce a 6-8 contract for a coach, what is actually signed is for no more than 4 years every time the contract is revealed.

[WinningIsRelentless]

What?? No player is employed by the university. How did you jump to that conclusion?

Students are not university employees. Unless its a service academy, no NIL.

You said players like they are state employees. You are as wrong as you can be. You are now going back to Kiffin since you realize that was completely inaccurate. He cannot sign a contract to COACH for OM as an employee of the state of MS for more than 4 years. No matter who is paying, private or otherwise. This is why the term sheet of his contract that was obtained through FOA is for 4 years only. Period. Believe what you want but no matter how many times they announce a 6-8 contract for a coach, what is actually signed is for no more than 4 years every time the contract is revealed.

What is preventing the grove collective from signing kiffin to an 8 year NIL deal? The state doesn?t have authority over the grove collective. Yea it?s stupid to tie yourself up like they but they are arrogant enough to do it.

[Really Clark?]

What is preventing the grove collective from signing kiffin to an 8 year NIL deal? The state doesn?t have authority over the grove collective. Yea it?s stupid to tie yourself up like they but they are arrogant enough to do it.

The rules disallowing coaches from entering NIL deals. It's for student athletes not coaches. And why would they? They have been able to get paid for commercials and the like for forever.

[WinningIsRelentless]

The rules disallowing coaches from entering NIL deals. It's for student athletes not coaches. And why would they? They have been able to get paid for commercials and the like for forever.

Well ole miss is using it to skirt the law in MS and it?s nothing the college board can do about it, right now at least.

[Really Clark?]

Well ole miss is using it to skirt the law in MS and it?s nothing the college board can do about it, right now at least.

NIL? They most certainly are not using that to pay a coach. You do know that they have to report those monies right? Let someone find out a coach is receiving compensation through the NIL. Reporting is done on the foundation side (NCAA and federal and state depending if the are a 501c3 or for profit as a LLC on how they report) and the student athlete side (income tax, FASA)

[Bdawg]

Y?all seem to be arguing over semantics. Looks like the collective could go in an agreement with Kiffin for a ?second job? and pay him whatever they want to make up for the 4 year deal. There are always ways around the law and I?m sure they know how to do it. The collective may not pay him for ?coaching? by law but hell I?m sure they can make up whatever they want to complete the longer contract they want. May be 4 years on paper with the university and some ?other job? worked out with the collective. I may be wrong but I could see them trying that.

[WinningIsRelentless]

NIL? They most certainly are not using that to pay a coach. You do know that they have to report those monies right? Let someone find out a coach is receiving compensation through the NIL. Reporting is done on the foundation side (NCAA and federal and state depending if the are a 501c3 or for profit as a LLC on how they report) and the student athlete side (income tax, FASA)

You are clueless. Who are they reporting the collective nil payments too? Irs in the form of 1099 yes. But the collectives are reporting to college board.

[Bothrops]

lotta cash for a 6 or 7 win season in 23

This

[Really Clark?]

You are clueless. Who are they reporting the collective nil payments too? Irs in the form of 1099 yes. But the collectives are reporting to college board.

Look the Grove Collective is an LLC and their are laws on the books about NIL in the state already. They have state and federal requirements they have to fulfill and the student athlete or their family have to report these monies on their 1040 and that goes to FASA as well. You try slipping millions of dollars to a coach that is NOT entitled to NIL money and just see how big of lawsuit his own players file not to mention the state and federal getting involved. You don't know what you are talking about.

[Leroy Jenkins]

Man, I wish it was legal. Every dollar they spent on Kiffin is one less dollar they could recruit with.

[Pancho]

Wait til they lose @ Tulane to the Fritz wave machine early next season

[WinningIsRelentless]

Look the Grove Collective is an LLC and there are laws on the books about NIL in the state already. They have state and federal requirements they have to fulfill and the student athlete or their family have to report these monies on their 1040 and that goes to FASA as well. You try slipping millions of dollars to a coach that is NOT entitled to NIL money and just see how big of lawsuit his own players file not to mention the state and federal getting involved. You don't know what you are talking about.

Show me the laws saying the collectives can?t give a coach a deal. I?ll be waiting because they are a business and can give contracts to whomever they want.

[Johnson85]

That is from the IHL Board directly. The foundation, private or otherwise cannot contract an employee of a public university to work for the university. ALL employee contracts must go through the IHL. Period. Why do you think his salary had to be run through the university and reported by the university on a term of 4 years? Regardless if they are private or not, the school employees him and are bound by the IHL Board and the constitution.

Private parties will likely not pay him unless he is no longer an empire of the university.