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Originally Posted by
Homedawg
I missed it where we hired him.... bobo was our hire remember
That's kinda my point. He's not it. Or, as I said before, we're going to have co-oc. My concern is losing players if this doesn't go right. We sure seem bent on a more run heavy offense and that's going to cost us big time if true.
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By play count (not yardage), Tulane was 60-40 run this year. I don't think we should try that here, basically ever, but especially not with our current personnel.
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Originally Posted by
Dawgface
That's disappointing as far as I'm concerned. Tweaking was what I was hoping for but hey....I'm just one in the minority I guess.
What I mean is, no matter what we change to it's changing in a big way. Nobody besides CML ran what we did. Nobody. Nothing close.
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Originally Posted by
Quaoarsking
By play count (not yardage), Tulane was 60-40 run this year. I don't think we should try that here, basically ever, but especially not with our current personnel.
2 teams that we compare to favorably in the sec talent-wise, OM and ark both run the ball at 60%. Both finished in top
5 of sec in total offense, both finished top 6 in conf only games, and both finished top 15 nationally. Here's our ranks...
Sec all games - 8th
Conf only - 11th
Nationally - 62nd
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Originally Posted by
msstate7
2 teams that we compare to favorably in the sec talent-wise, OM and ark both run the ball at 60%. Both finished in top
5 of sec in total offense, both finished top 6 in conf only games, and both finished top 15 nationally. Here's our ranks...
Sec all games - 8th
Conf only - 11th
Nationally - 62nd
And they both finished unranked, unlike us.
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Originally Posted by
Quaoarsking
And they both finished unranked, unlike us.
Total def nationally...
OM #75
Ark #124
Offense wasn't losing them games, and offense wasn't winning us games
Last edited by msstate7; 01-10-2023 at 11:32 PM.
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Originally Posted by
Quaoarsking
And they both finished unranked, unlike us.
Was that because of their offense or defense though? And I'm more in line with being closer to 50/50 with what we have coming back and an OC that's adaptable to his personnel. But their records are more indicative of poor defenses than offenses. Ark was 13th in the league and OM 9th
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Originally Posted by
Homedawg
I missed it where we hired him.... bobo was our hire remember
Hahaha!!!
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Originally Posted by
msstate7
Total def nationally...
OM #75
Ark #124
Offense wasn't losing them games, and offense wasn't winning us games
Exactly.
Too many are getting hung up on keeping a pass happy offense the longer this OC hire takes. People forget that the offense didn't win us many, if any, games this year. They were the reason we didn't win more. I'm personally not too worried yet, and won't be until I see the hire...because there is little room to go but up on that side of the ball. Arnett is probably thinking, "even if we aren't good on offense, if we can at least be a little more balanced maybe my defense won't be exhausted while trying to win us the game". Hard to blame him after watching how putrid the offense has been the last few years.
I'm still quietly hoping we may get Johns from Duke, though at this point I doubt it or he would have already been hired.
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Originally Posted by
msstate7
Total def nationally...
OM #75
Ark #124
Offense wasn't losing them games, and offense wasn't winning us games
Great post
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Originally Posted by
msstate7
Total def nationally...
OM #75
Ark #124
Offense wasn't losing them games, and offense wasn't winning us games
Nailed it.
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Originally Posted by
Cooterpoot
Tulane played the 65th SOS and that's with USC included. They played a terrible schedule.
And they would have beaten us had we played. With much less talent. And less fan and NIL SUPPORT.
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Originally Posted by
Quaoarsking
And they both finished unranked, unlike us.
Because they had 2 of the worst defenses in the conference. Anyone that watched our offense this year and wanted to keep doing that stupid shit is a glutton for punishment. Arnett’s defense saved our team’s ass all year. Our offense against anyone with a pulse was horrible.
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Originally Posted by
Quaoarsking
And they both finished unranked, unlike us.
If this is your argument, tell me where Tulane finished in the final poll......
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Originally Posted by
Homedawg
I don't know who I the hell we hire. But we will be active in the te portal. And that doesn't tell me or anyone else what type of offense we are going to run.
With $$$??? Because I will donate more for this
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I don't think "I don't think we should shift to a 60% run offense" is an equivalent argument to "I want to keep this exact offense we had in 2022 with Rogers," even as some of you are trying to spin it that way.
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Originally Posted by
Cooterpoot
Tulane played the 65th SOS and that's with USC included. They played a terrible schedule.
Similar to Washington, UCLA, and UCF. We all still acknowledge that those offenses are good.
Significantly better SOS than Duke, and people obviously aren?t holding that against Johns.
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Originally Posted by
Homedawg
I missed it where we hired him.... bobo was our hire remember
Steve throwing Darts again.
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At this point, MSU football will take anyone they can get....run or pass philosophy.
We are talking about a guy that has been a career position coach at a G5 and lesser.
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