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The Air Raid offense sucks and no one wants to run it.
Just look at how 2 of our assistant coaches have gotten OC jobs in a week. Our OL coach is one we want to keep and people are seriously floating him to be OC. But hey, the RB coach might get let go so it's all trash.
Air Raid Philosophy is the future and we've revamped our offense in 3 short years to where most of us agree a QB with a consistent deep ball (before you yell at me Bucky, Will showed flashes of this 21' memphis, 21' arkansas, etc.) and a solid head can make us a playoff contender moving forward. (In that 12 team playoff space).
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Our O disappeared for long stretches under Coach Leach in many games, especially against teams with aggressive, lock down cb's. Even Coach Leach never seemed to be happy with WR's as no alpha stepped forward, (don't forget folding chairs). Will freely admitted Coach wouldn't have been happy with him in the bowl and the OM game was same ole, same ole on O. This pure Air Raid was going to change some had Coach not passed away. It needs some changes under new OC in '23 season, but NOT a JoMo total change in one year! Hail State!
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Modern air raid offenses rock.
2001 air raid doesn't.
We had the old version and it needed to be tweaked
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The air raid we ran was trash. That's facts.
The Heupel version is solid. We weren't in the same stratosphere as that version. The Heupel air raid is like a fighter jet, and ours was like a fart in a whirlwind.
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Originally Posted by
KOdawg1
Modern air raid offenses rock.
2001 air raid doesn't.
We had the old version and it needed to be tweaked
It would help if we had a QB that wasn?t a statue and could throw it more than 30 yards
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Originally Posted by
Leeshouldveflanked
It would help if we had a QB that wasn?t a statue and could throw it more than 30 yards
Rewatching the old games that I listed really drives this home. Those end of game drives had the plays that I want to see consistently that would open up the offense so much. Frustrating.
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Originally Posted by
CadaverDawg
The air raid we ran was trash. That's facts.
The Heupel version is solid. We weren't in the same stratosphere as that version. The Heupel air raid is like a fighter jet, and ours was like a fart in a whirlwind.
Yep, all true.
This is where koolaid drinkers can't discern the difference.
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Originally Posted by
Leeshouldveflanked
It would help if we had a QB that wasn?t a statue and could throw it more than 30 yards
Any offense looks good with Tom Brady back there. Will executed what he was coached to execute. If not, he doesn't continue to be in there. Will produced just like every other true air raid guy too.
Will is what he is, gotta quit putting all this on Will.
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3 of the 4 playoff teams were top 25 rushing teams. Only 1 of the playoff teams were a top 25 passing team.
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Originally Posted by
Leeshouldveflanked
It would help if we had a QB that wasn?t a statue and could throw it more than 30 yards
Running the newer version of the AR would have been very difficult with Will. If Parsons is all he is made out to be it can work. But we may be running the wishbone next year for all I know.
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Originally Posted by
msstate7
3 of the 4 playoff teams were top 25 rushing teams. Only 1 of the playoff teams were a top 25 passing team.
Wow, teams who won all their games ran the ball more. Breaking news. You know as well as I do how bad of a stat that yards can be.
Let's look at those team's rankings shall we?
Georgia 23 in run / 15 in pass
TCU 20 in run / 29 in pass
Michigan 5 in run / 83 in pass
Ohio State 32 in run / 14 in pass
Oops. Looks like two are in the top 25.
2 of the 4 playoff teams were top 15 passing
1 of the 4 playoff teams were top 15 rushing
3 of the 4 playoff teams were top 30 passing
3 of the 4 playoff teams were top 30 rushing
(This is where I say reality can be whatever I want it to be)
Note: 3 of the 4 playoff teams had their QB at the Heisman ceremony.
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Originally Posted by
Tater
Wow, teams who won all their games ran the ball more. Breaking news. You know as well as I do how bad of a stat that yards can be.
Let's look at those team's rankings shall we?
Georgia 23 in run / 15 in pass
TCU 20 in run / 29 in pass
Michigan 5 in run / 83 in pass
Ohio State 32 in run / 14 in pass
Oops. Looks like two are in the top 25.
2 of the 4 playoff teams were top 15 passing
1 of the 4 playoff teams were top 15 rushing
3 of the 4 playoff teams were top 30 passing
3 of the 4 playoff teams were top 30 rushing
(This is where I say reality can be whatever I want it to be)
Note: 3 of the 4 playoff teams had their QB at the Heisman ceremony.
You're correct. I was looking at the wrong thing on passing stats.
All your stats tell me is that you have to be able to do both - be balanced. Our offense of the past few years isn't a formula to win big
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Even though I think tcu is basically the result of hitting a 7-team parlay this year, they should be the one we look at the closest since they're around our talent level. They were 55.5% run heavy. And it wasn't bc they were winning all the time... 9 wins by less than 10 pts
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Costello and some brief moments of Will show this version can work too.
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Originally Posted by
vindastra
Costello and some brief moments of Will show this version can work too.
Maybe so, but our style is gone now. No one runs it like leach. All his disciples have a more modern approach
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Originally Posted by
Tater
Rewatching the old games that I listed really drives this home. Those end of game drives had the plays that I want to see consistently that would open up the offense so much. Frustrating.
That?s because Will is too conservative and cautious. At the end of games when we are losing or when we need a score he will actually throw in rhythm. He needs a strong dose of gunslinger serum or something.
Death penalty or bust!!!***
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Originally Posted by
Reason2succeed
That?s because Will is too conservative and cautious. At the end of games when we are losing or when we need a score he will actually throw in rhythm. He needs a strong dose of gunslinger serum or something.
Favre says that's called Vicodin
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Originally Posted by
msstate7
3 of the 4 playoff teams were top 25 rushing teams. Only 1 of the playoff teams were a top 25 passing team.
Winner
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We all agree the pure air raid isn't it. The question do we want to grab an air raid guy with modern tweaks, or do we want to blow to up and transition to a power run game? I think MS is better suited for the run game, but I'm worried that puts a cap on who we can beat and isn't best for next year.
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Originally Posted by
the_real_MSU_is_us
We all agree the pure air raid isn't it. The question do we want to grab an air raid guy with modern tweaks, or do we want to blow to up and transition to a power run game? I think MS is better suited for the run game, but I'm worried that puts a cap on who we can beat and isn't best for next year.
I'd be very disappointed if we went to a power run game. We'd have the same floor but a lower ceiling. We need to stay with the air raid (with modern adjustments). We'd have a similar floor but much higher ceiling.
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