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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd4State View Post
    No one is going to want to hear this:

    We just made a typical MSU move. We did the nice thing. We chose to protect an unhired AD which gives me a ton of confidence in that search. We made a move to protect recruiting with a class that is maybe 30th right now?

    It may work out but we're going to have at best an inexperienced head coach who will have growing pains. Which is NOT what we need. Remember Dan vs LSU 2009? LOL.

    And we only have one open spot and that almost HAS TO go to an experienced OC. We can't bring in a DC because we don't have room. So it's going to be someone on staff in that role who is also inexperienced. And if we bring in another outside DC then we only have four offensive coaches on the whole staff- and one would have to be calling plays. Which again would be someone who has never called plays before.

    I hope we go like 9-3 or better this year because I have a feeling that there is a good chance we're going to be looking again in about three years. Hopefully under much better circumstances.
    I hope Coach Arnett would put in a hearty effort to bring in Graham Harrell as OC. From what I can tell reading / listening to all of the reminiscing and stories about CML, Harrell was mentioned several times as being one of CML's most astute students not only in football but in life in general. He eventually will be a successful HC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Offshore Dawg View Post
    With post like this, shouldn't you change your screen name to ( sand-in-the-junk )
    Sand in Virginia... If you smell what I'm stepping in

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    Quote Originally Posted by Offshore Dawg View Post
    With post like this, shouldn't you change your screen name to ( sand-in-the-junk )
    I'm pragmatic to a fault.

    We weren't getting a coach worth his salt that would

    1 keep our team in tact. Either transfers out due to scheme or loss of familiarity.

    2 is established as a good recruiter in the area

    3 kept the foundation that has been set.

    ZA is going to give 100% every single second. Players love him. He's a good recruiter. He just outschemed the poster child of coach fanboy love in Kiffin.

    Most of the best Air Raid guys that we'd look at are better suited for OC and that is still an option.

    Downside is

    he lacks experience

    Offensive coaches are more sought after because it's hard to change offensive scheme vs defensive

    Considering pros and cons, I'm glad we kept ZA before he was poached by LSU or bama. Yes it might fail spectacularly, but the Man is a leader, tough, players love him and gives you more than you have in the tank.

    ETA: My best attribute was a LB carrying my team to the byrboun bowl and I've been drinking vodka. Don't blame me if it goes sideways
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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd4State View Post
    No one is going to want to hear this:

    We just made a typical MSU move. We did the nice thing. We chose to protect an unhired AD which gives me a ton of confidence in that search. We made a move to protect recruiting with a class that is maybe 30th right now?

    It may work out but we're going to have at best an inexperienced head coach who will have growing pains. Which is NOT what we need. Remember Dan vs LSU 2009? LOL.

    And we only have one open spot and that almost HAS TO go to an experienced OC. We can't bring in a DC because we don't have room. So it's going to be someone on staff in that role who is also inexperienced. And if we bring in another outside DC then we only have four offensive coaches on the whole staff- and one would have to be calling plays. Which again would be someone who has never called plays before.

    I hope we go like 9-3 or better this year because I have a feeling that there is a good chance we're going to be looking again in about three years. Hopefully under much better circumstances.
    I was with you up until the coaching numbers. There?s no chance we keep 2 WR coaches if Arnett decides he wants a DC. There are many many teams who have a HC, OC, and DC, this is not a unique problem we?re facing. Someone will get moved off field if it needs to happen

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    Quote Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve View Post
    Bob Tyler was ahead of the game. He had our NIL rolling in the 70s
    Yeah free clothes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandjunky View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd4State View Post
    It's a major difference. Arnett has never made a decision to go for it on fourth down or not. He has the final say in everything. It can be very distracting to do that and run a defense. Most coaches honestly can't do both.
    This is my only concern. He's such a great DC. Someone mentioned Rocky Long as a DC. That sounds like an awesome idea to me. They are on the same page, allows ZA to handle decisions and not question D calls and serves as a mentor if needed.

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    Rocky is 72 and working his retirement at his Alma mater at New Mexico. Would be great but I don't see him leaving his home at this age.

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    I agree Todd. I like arnett. Great guy and great DC. He may be a great head coach. But it's a huge gamble in a mean ass league. Bracky and keenum rolled their dice fast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trojandawg View Post
    I agree Todd. I like arnett. Great guy and great DC. He may be a great head coach. But it's a huge gamble in a mean ass league. Bracky and keenum rolled their dice fast.
    Huge gamble with anyone in this league. I would argue it's a bigger gamble to spend good money on a HC that has never coached in this conference. They might be rolling the dice Leach handed them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowbell View Post
    Huge gamble with anyone in this league. I would argue it's a bigger gamble to spend good money on a HC that has never coached in this conference.
    Depends on if it's a P5 conference like Leach or if it's a G5 conference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Really Clark? View Post
    Rocky is 72 and working his retirement at his Alma mater at New Mexico. Would be great but I don't see him leaving his home at this age.
    Didn't realize he was that old

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    Quote Originally Posted by trojandawg View Post
    I agree Todd. I like arnett. Great guy and great DC. He may be a great head coach. But it's a huge gamble in a mean ass league. Bracky and keenum rolled their dice fast.
    Most good dice rollers roll the dice relatively fast, after all it's luck of the roll. No different here, there wasn't a proven commodity out there to go get.

    If we've got to go with a coordinator, why not the one that is most familiar with our recruiting footprint, current team, staff, academic and athletic personnel etc.?

    I do think that at a school like state we need an offensive minded HC as we seem to roll good defenses out under every head coach we hire. So that concerns me a bit having staff turnover on the offensive side of the ball every few years if the offense is clicking will be a much bigger problem than having defensive staff turnover like we had under mullen. But that being said, arnett seems like a winner and he's definitely going to give the job everything he's got. At the end of the day that's all you can ask for as the smallest budgeted team in the conference save maybe vandy. Saves us some money as well to use somewhere else In the program.

    If you had to go pay an experienced p5 hc with a decent resume to come here you're looking at a minimum of 7-8 mil now and probably more for the same crap shoot in the SEC that we are getting now at a decent price. How many good head coaches from P5 or non that have been hired into this league, chewed up and spit out quick?
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    A question for those saying Zach has no HC experience. How many years of HC experience did Dan have?

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    Give him a shot. Croom had no OC or DC experience. Mullen was a OC and Moorehead was a OC. If things unraveled in the next two season, we could move on. I really don't think it's a big gamble. Our schedule is not as tough with 8 home games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Op4isabitch View Post
    A question for those saying Zach has no HC experience. How many years of HC experience did Dan have?
    It's not the lack of HC experience even thought that's what people keep pointing to. He just hasn't had as many years doing as many things.

    I'm perfectly happy with Arnett as the coach. I thought he would be competitive in a national search. I am more concerned about the process. Either Keenum panicked and short circuited the process, or he has enough insight into things fans don't to know that at the end of the day, none of the likely potential candidates were going to be able to show anything in an interview that would trump what we have seen in person with Arnett.

    If it was the latter, going through the process would be all harm for not much gain. Still would have been value to the process to confirm what you think you know, but would have been at the expense of continued uncertainty while people are trying to poach our players and recruits.

    If it was the former, it may still work out, but it was a stupid move. I'd like to think it was the latter but really don't know. Don't have enough of an opinion of Keenum to think it was likely he panicked or likely he made a reasoned decision based on good info.

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    With national signing day and possible portal transfers State couldn't wait for a national search. JoMo was fired in January. Was that a dead period?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnson85 View Post
    It's not the lack of HC experience even thought that's what people keep pointing to. He just hasn't had as many years doing as many things.

    I'm perfectly happy with Arnett as the coach. I thought he would be competitive in a national search. I am more concerned about the process. Either Keenum panicked and short circuited the process, or he has enough insight into things fans don't to know that at the end of the day, none of the likely potential candidates were going to be able to show anything in an interview that would trump what we have seen in person with Arnett.

    If it was the latter, going through the process would be all harm for not much gain. Still would have been value to the process to confirm what you think you know, but would have been at the expense of continued uncertainty while people are trying to poach our players and recruits.

    If it was the former, it may still work out, but it was a stupid move. I'd like to think it was the latter but really don't know. Don't have enough of an opinion of Keenum to think it was likely he panicked or likely he made a reasoned decision based on good info.
    Blowing up the program at this juncture was not an option. Losing most of our recruits and a sizable portion of the roster to the portal would have been a severe blow to the next coach. Arnett knows this program. He is respected among the staff. He knows the recruiting landscape very well. And most importantly Leach really, really liked him a lot. He turned to Zach often for coaching decisions.

    I would not be surprised in a couple of years everybody's all on board and demanding we pay the man an outrageous salary because he's proven to be a damn good head coach and bigger programs are knocking on his door.

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    We already had this plan in place. Zach was going to be a HC sooner rather than later and very very likely taken over here. Rocky and Leach both groomed him and both very thought he would be good and a good fit. I mentioned the other day it is the single biggest factor determining your next coach. It has to fit and Zach fits and is invested in the Mississippi State community. We all know coaching hires are crap shoots but honestly sitting P5 coordinators have a better track record of success than G5 HC's. I'm 100% on board and actually believe he will do an outstanding job running the program. He is an impressive guy.

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    I don't have a crystal ball to see the future, but Arnett's intensity leads me to believe he will be a Saban like in how he instills a culture in the program. We will succeed or fail based on his attention to details throughout his tenure.

    Arnett..... bust the ever loving ass for the next two seasons. How you attack these next two years will define you as a coach for your entire career.
    Instill the correct foundation NOW. This is your team now. Not Mike Leach's. You have been painted into a corner, now is the time to just take off your shoes and walk across the floor. Damn to everything else. Build your team. Leach left you compacted subgrade, now pour some footings and let's get some walls going up.
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