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22 your goal with a very experienced team? Cool
If we lose the bowl game, & finish unranked, can we tell you to 17 your self?
That's how close you are to having nothing to say really.
Leach needs to win the bowl game to get some momentum rolling. We need some strain, or juice, or some other lame analogy. 9 wins can be a bit of a spring board for the team and fans.
Last edited by Cooterpoot; 12-04-2022 at 11:52 PM.
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Originally Posted by
Coach34
I guess here is where the disconnect is:
Leach-Lovers try to act like he has already matched where Mullen had the program- which is not true. They try to bring down Mullen by saying "Mullen only averaged 7 wins at State...blah blah blah". This is Leach's 1st 8 win season- achieved in Y3- while Mullen did it in Y2.
In truth- Mullen won 8 or more games 5 times and in 3 of his 4 last seasons. Plus, he had built 2018's team into a special one. Mullen had really built the program up and his leaving really hurt considering his replacement was sub-par.
Leach may get it back to that point- but it's not there yet.
Missed the year Mullen played an all SEC schedule... but I'm sure Mullen would've been 8-2 that year.** Leach basically won 8 in two normal seasons as well. Four OOC games in 2020 and he probably would've done it year one.
Last edited by Turfdawg67; 12-04-2022 at 11:55 PM.
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Originally Posted by
Cooterpoot
22 your goal with a very experienced team? Cool
If we lose the bowl game, & finish unranked, can we tell you to 17 your self?
That's how close you are to having nothing to say really.
Leach needs to win the bowl game to get some momentum rolling. We need some strain, or juice, or some other lame analogy. 9 wins can be a bit of a spring board for the team and fans.
A bunch on here were saying 6-6 at best, looks they really shouldn't have anything to say, really.
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Originally Posted by
Goldendawg
I agree with everything you say, but Will had to play has a Freshman and he was rated lower than Roberson and Locke, don't know about Greek. This QB room has been over rated or very slow to develop even a reliable backup it seems.
He did- out of necessity. Normally he wouldn't have.
Will is better than Greek and Lovertich.
Will isn't as athletic as Robertson but right now he is a better QB.
Same as Locke who has only been at MSU a year and may be the second best QB we have right now depending on who you talk to. But we're not going to play him now and mortgage his future. He has to develop.
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Originally Posted by
Cooterpoot
22 your goal with a very experienced team? Cool
If we lose the bowl game, & finish unranked, can we tell you to 17 your self?
That's how close you are to having nothing to say really.
Leach needs to win the bowl game to get some momentum rolling. We need some strain, or juice, or some other lame analogy. 9 wins can be a bit of a spring board for the team and fans.
22 is never the goal.....but it is better than 90% of you swore by. i said at the start of the season 9-10 wins. some of you like to be miserable.
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Last year's forward prospects all seemed to rest on how they replaced Charles Cross. It seemed like most of this year's 6-6 estimators were assuming left tackle would be a weak spot all year. Glad that wasn't the case. I haven't seen a lot of credit given for this accomplishment but it was big, to the point we didn't even talk about OL play for most of the year.
If the staff righted the ship on that issue, hopefully they can do the same for QB. How people fail to find hope with CML, i don't know.
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Originally Posted by
Todd4State
Off the top of my head our two passing TD's in the Egg Bowl were over 20 yards. I remember us burning Arkansas and Texas A&M for deep TD's as well. We had 25 passes this year that went for 20+ yards or more in SEC play. For context that was good for 9th in the conference and 10 behind the leader which was Georgia with 35. Basically middle of the pack in the SEC. All games we had 41 which was good for 8th in the league so it doesn't appear as if we just chunked it up more against OOC play- basically it rounds out to 3 20+ completions a game and 4 20+ completions against OOC foes. We weren't really that bad all things considered compared to the rest of the league in that category. Could be better. Also, this doesn't appear to include plays of 30+, 40+, 50+ etc.
Interesting, although I'm still not sure you can say that is very good given we throw the ball WAY more than anyone else in the league. I would be willing to bet that most of those 25 passes had a lot of run after catch involved. So what I am really referencing are throws that covered that length, not just a guy catching a 10 yard pass and then running for another 20. Anyone watching us can see we are not good at completing throws down the field.
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Long passing play ranks in conf-only games...
10+: 2nd
20+: 8th
30+: 11th tied
40+: 14th
50+: 13th tie
This was discussed somewhere in the thread
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Originally Posted by
ArrowDawg
Congrats, he's maintaining our mediocre to average standing in college football. Considering that his offense was supposed to be special, and help elevate this program above what we've been doing, I'm not impressed.
Man, you do realize we have the smallest budget in the sec and our NIL offering compared to others is terrible.
If you want us to take the next step start donating a couple million a year to the program.
Is what it is at our best we will always be a 6-6 to
9-3 team with the outside shot at making a run at the west every 4-5 years. At least until we start raising more money.
You're expecting alabama/uga results on a cheap beer budget. Nick Saban makes almost double what our hc makes.
We are paying leach I believe 5.5 mil. Ole miss just bumped Kiffin up to 9 mil a year.
We don't have the money to consistently compete for sec or national championships in the SEC. either accept it or find a way to raise more money. Ole miss out spends us in recruiting by several several million.
Bama and uga's recruiting budget Is over double what ours is.
At the end of the day college football is no different than any other industry. Money talks.
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Originally Posted by
Cooterpoot
22 your goal with a very experienced team? Cool
If we lose the bowl game, & finish unranked, can we tell you to 17 your self?
That's how close you are to having nothing to say really.
Leach needs to win the bowl game to get some momentum rolling. We need some strain, or juice, or some other lame analogy. 9 wins can be a bit of a spring board for the team and fans.
An experienced team, yes. Did you look at our losses? Only one we should have in my opinion won was the ky game.
We lost to:
Sec west champs LSU and had a chance to win that one
Kentucky
Alabama
UGA
That's a pretty solid season considering you had to play the defending National champs and bama.
It's not like he lost to a bunch of scrubs. Every one of those teams has a bigger budget than we do for football. Three of them by almost triple what we spend on recruiting and NIL. Kentucky even spends more than we do.
I don't see how some of y'all don't understand that we are dead last in fundraising and recruiting budget except for possibly vandy and they keep their numbers private and money is the reason we aren't a consistent nc team or sec champ team.
Look at Michigan they wanted to fire harbaugh just three or four years ago but stuck with him and he eventually built the program back up. Give leach some time.
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Originally Posted by
BB30
An experienced team, yes. Did you look at our losses? Only one we should have in my opinion won was the ky game.
We lost to:
Sec west champs LSU and had a chance to win that one
Kentucky
Alabama
UGA
That's a pretty solid season considering you had to play the defending National champs and bama.
It's not like he lost to a bunch of scrubs. Every one of those teams has a bigger budget than we do for football. Three of them by almost triple what we spend on recruiting and NIL. Kentucky even spends more than we do.
I don't see how some of y'all don't understand that we are dead last in fundraising and recruiting budget except for possibly vandy and they keep their numbers private and money is the reason we aren't a consistent nc team or sec champ team.
Look at Michigan they wanted to fire harbaugh just three or four years ago but stuck with him and he eventually built the program back up. Give leach some time.
The lsu loss was bad imo. LSU was not playing well at all at the time. We had chances early to separate and didn't. We were favored
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Originally Posted by
msstate7
The lsu loss was bad imo. LSU was not playing well at all at the time. We had chances early to separate and didn't. We were favored
But we should be happy with playing them close*
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Originally Posted by
Cowbell
But we should be happy with playing them close*
I mean they did beat Alabama there. It's not like we lost to Arkansas State on the road or something like that.
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Originally Posted by
msstate7
The lsu loss was bad imo. LSU was not playing well at all at the time. We had chances early to separate and didn't. We were favored
How dare us not separate early enough in Baton Rouge at night to the eventual SEC West champs***
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Originally Posted by
drummerdawg
How dare us not separate early enough in Baton Rouge at night to the eventual SEC West champs***
Maybe if we woulda used our really good PR instead of our horrible PR, we woulda won.
Most here seem incapable of realizing lsu then was not the lsu team that came tougher on the road at Florida later. We absolutely shoulda won that game
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Originally Posted by
Coach34
I guess here is where the disconnect is:
Leach-Lovers try to act like he has already matched where Mullen had the program- which is not true. They try to bring down Mullen by saying "Mullen only averaged 7 wins at State...blah blah blah". This is Leach's 1st 8 win season- achieved in Y3- while Mullen did it in Y2.
In truth- Mullen won 8 or more games 5 times and in 3 of his 4 last seasons. Plus, he had built 2018's team into a special one. Mullen had really built the program up and his leaving really hurt considering his replacement was sub-par.
Leach may get it back to that point- but it's not there yet.
100% true. Leach still got ways to go to achieve where Mullen had the program. Really don't understand anyone not being able to see this. Got nothing to do with love or hate Mullen or Leach.
While next year many are predicting the "Big" year and maybe it will be. It will not be easy. Aub, TAMU will be improved and maybe LSU and OM. Not sure about Ark. We got a rising USC. We are two plays from being 6-6 this year in the golden year of Leach football.
Hail State and hope we go 12-0 next year. I pull not State and not a coach.
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Originally Posted by
confucius say
He benched Luke Faulk as a senior
Luke Falk broke his wrist the second game of the year vs Boise St but held off surgery until after the season. He was going to try to wait until after the bowl game but it kept getting worse and ended up having surgery after the end of the season. They put a small cast and glove on it prior to every game and took it off immediately to hide the fact it was broken.
He was pulled vs Arizona but started the rest of the regular season. He struggled at times as a senior but it was acknowledged after the season that the injury and pain of playing through that was an issue.
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Originally Posted by
msstate7
Maybe if we woulda used our really good PR instead of our horrible PR, we woulda won.
Most here seem incapable of realizing lsu then was not the lsu team that came tougher on the road at Florida later. We absolutely shoulda won that game
This is absurd. There's a reason it's called Death Valley. The only team that beat them there was Tennessee. We struggled on the road all year long.
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Originally Posted by
Really Clark?
Luke Falk broke his wrist the second game of the year vs Boise St but held off surgery until after the season. He was going to try to wait until after the bowl game but it kept getting worse and ended up having surgery after the end of the season. They put a small cast and glove on it prior to every game and took it off immediately to hide the fact it was broken.
He was pulled vs Arizona but started the rest of the regular season. He struggled at times as a senior but it was acknowledged after the season that the injury and pain of playing through that was an issue.
Exactly. Rogers will be our QB in 2023
Walk like the King or walk like you don't care who the King is
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Originally Posted by
Todd4State
This is absurd. There's a reason it's called Death Valley. The only team that beat them there was Tennessee. We struggled on the road all year long.
You're right we struggled on the road all year... we didn't break 350 total yards on offense in a sec road game. We didnt break 300 in 3 of the 4. That's my point... our offense blew it in that game and Kentucky too. Bama loss is acceptable. Our D beat OM.
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