Arnett

[Homedawg]

If we lose him bc of money, we suck

Name the last coach we lost bc of money??? I'll answer, never

[PikeDawg15]

Give him the title assistant head coach and defensive coordinator

Pay him 2.5 million per year if not more.

[parabrave]

Name the last coach we lost bc of money??? I'll answer, never

Maybe because we never had a coach that was worth emptying the bank for??

[Homedawg]

Maybe because we never had a coach that was worth emptying the bank for??

My point is more, they left bc they got a better job. Would could empty the bank and it won't matter. And I'm not saying not to take care of ones that deserve it. But it's just a gesture if they want to go, they are gone.

[msu15]

Name the last coach we lost bc of money??? I'll answer, never

You sure we didn't lose Diaz to Texas because of money after 2010?

[parabrave]

You sure we didn't lose Diaz to Texas because of money after 2010?

Manny also tired of getting chewed out on national TV.

[Homedawg]

You sure we didn't lose Diaz to Texas because of money after 2010?

Nope. He went to UT because it was a better job. Did he get paid more? Yes. Has the pay been the same he was gone.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Vic Shaffer

[DownwardDawg]

Vic Shaffer

Another example of not about the money.

[Homedawg]

Vic Shaffer

Another that didn't leave bc of money. Y'all keep coming w wrong answers and I'll keep shooting them down

[schddog72]

Vic Shaffer

Nope; $$$ was never a factor.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Name the last coach we lost bc of money??? I'll answer, never

That's a chicken or the egg discussion:

You're saying we don't loose coaches to money, we only lose them to programs with more success. However, the only reason those programs have more success is because they have more money, and it just so happens that every coach that leaves here gets a big pay bump. Was it the mig pay bump that motivate the move, or the name on the jersey? But again even if it's the name on the jersey, it's still "money" that's the ultimate reason we couldn't keep him because money is what drives prestige

[DownwardDawg]

That's a chicken or the egg discussion:

You're saying we don't loose coaches to money, we only lose them to programs with more success. However, the only reason those programs have more success is because they have more money, and it just so happens that every coach that leaves here gets a big pay bump. Was it the mig pay bump that motivate the move, or the name on the jersey? But again even if it's the name on the jersey, it's still "money" that's the ultimate reason we couldn't keep him because money is what drives prestige

So if we offer the same or more and he still leaves for the bigger program, does that still mean he left for more money?

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

So if we offer the same or more and he still leaves for the bigger program, does that still mean he left for more money?

It means he left for the prestige the jersey gives him. But the jersey only provides prestige because the boosters pay enough to win. So from a short term standpoint? If we match an offer and the coach leaves, it wasn't about money. From a big picture view? Yes, its about us being poor. If we had OSU money we'd be prestigious enough to where coaches would stay.

[Homedawg]

That's a chicken or the egg discussion:

You're saying we don't loose coaches to money, we only lose them to programs with more success. However, the only reason those programs have more success is because they have more money, and it just so happens that every coach that leaves here gets a big pay bump. Was it the mig pay bump that motivate the move, or the name on the jersey? But again even if it's the name on the jersey, it's still "money" that's the ultimate reason we couldn't keep him because money is what drives prestige

We matched offers in several cases. They left. You can chicken or egg all you want, they left for better jobs. Collins to Fla. Mullen to Florida. Diaz to Texas, Diaz to miami. Shaeffer to ut do I need to keep going???? Sticklin to Fla. cohen to auburn. Smdh.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

We matched offers in several cases. They left. You can chicken or egg all you want, they left for better jobs. Collins to Fla. Mullen to Florida. Diaz to Texas, Diaz to miami. Shaeffer to ut do I need to keep going???? Sticklin to Fla. cohen to auburn. Smdh.

Right... notice that every single one of the schools you mentioned as being a "better program" are also far richer than us? That's my point- money = success, which = the pecking order of which programs are better than others. For example, one of the things that prevents us from winning big is lack of NIL money. Auburn has it in spades, thus they'll win more, and being a DC there is more likely to get a HC job than being a DC here is. But if you take away their booster money they wouldn't recruit better than us and after a decade their perception would be the same as ours.

So even if you match the salary offer today, the fact the other program is "better" than us is due to our lack of money yesterday.

[Homedawg]

Right... notice that every single one of the schools you mentioned as being a "better program" are also far richer than us? That's my point- money = success, which = the pecking order of which programs are better than others. For example, one of the things that prevents us from winning big is lack of NIL money. Auburn has it in spades, thus they'll win more, and being a DC there is more likely to get a HC job than being a DC here is. But if you take away their booster money they wouldn't recruit better than us and after a decade their perception would be the same as ours.

So even if you match the salary offer today, the fact the other program is "better" than us is due to our lack of money yesterday.

Well, we are never ever ever having as much money as them so....

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Well, we are never ever ever having as much money as them so....

Correct. We will never be able to recruit on a top 15 level, thus we will never be able to win it all and only occasionally be able to compete at a top 10 level.

[FISHDAWG]

Name the last coach we lost bc of money??? I'll answer, never

Lost Manny Diaz to Texas

[Homedawg]

Lost Manny Diaz to Texas

AGAIN, we didn't lose him bc of money. We lost him bc it's a better job!!!! Omg