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11-21-2022, 06:10 PM
#141
Originally Posted by
msstate7
If he wins this week, he'd actually be 1 game better, but...
Losses by years (ranks are bcs, last playoff, and current ap)...
2009: #1 UF, #2 bama, #9 lsu , NR ark and auburn
2010: #4 auburn, #6 lsu, #8 bama, #23 ark
2011: #1 lsu, #2 bama, #9 ark, #20 auburn, #14 SC, NR Georgia
2020*: #1 bama, #5 aTm, NR ark, NR KY, NR OM, NR Kentucky
2021: #1 bama, #8 OM, NR ark, NR lsu
2022: #1 Georgia, #6 lsu, #8 bama, NR Kentucky
*since we excluded Georgia for this comparison, I removed #8 Georgia
Dan lost 3 sec games to unranked opponents in 1st 3 years. Leach has lost to 7 so far
Now do wins... 1st 3 years the teams Mullen beat were collectively 105-180 (.368) or close to that. So he played a tough schedule, so will every MSU coach. Some of those 8-9 win seasons were against totally sh*t opponents.
Last edited by Turfdawg67; 11-21-2022 at 06:45 PM.
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11-21-2022, 06:12 PM
#142
Originally Posted by
Quaoarsking
Also I'm pretty sure 2011 Georgia and 2021 Arkansas both finished ranked, right?
I used this for 2011
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011...tball_rankings
2021
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb...021-polls.html
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11-21-2022, 06:34 PM
#143
Originally Posted by
msstate7
Just retired from teaching 7th/8th Social Studies (3rd and last career). Even the students say, "Don't Use Wikipedia!" **** Hail State!
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11-21-2022, 06:44 PM
#144
Originally Posted by
Quaoarsking
Also I'm pretty sure 2011 Georgia and 2021 Arkansas both finished ranked, right?
I thought it was 2010 when we played UGA, and that was the last time they had a losing record. Maybe it was 2011... either way, they weren't ranked.
Last edited by Turfdawg67; 11-21-2022 at 06:50 PM.
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11-21-2022, 06:48 PM
#145
Anticipation as MS7 tallies the stats...
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11-21-2022, 06:51 PM
#146
Originally Posted by
Turfdawg67
I thought it was 2010 when we played UGA, and that was the last time they had a losing record. Maybe it was 2011... either way, they weren't ranked.
We played Georgia in 2010 and 2011. The 2010 team finished 6-7 after the bowl loss. The 2011 team finished the year ranked 19th
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11-21-2022, 07:00 PM
#147
Originally Posted by
Really Clark?
We played Georgia in 2010 and 2011. The 2010 team finished 6-7 after the bowl loss. The 2011 team finished the year ranked 19th
Gotcha.
Again Clark, I'm glad you are still putting up the good fight. You and I and a handful of ppl on this board were the only ones defending Mullen at times. I'm very guilty of defending our current coaches because... I want to believe!! Lol. That said, looking back and watching old games, blah... A few games we'd look unstoppable and then totally inept, much like Leach.
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11-21-2022, 07:15 PM
#148
Originally Posted by
Turfdawg67
Now do wins... 1st 3 years the teams Mullen beat were collectively 105-180 (.368) or close to that. So he played a tough schedule, so will every MSU coach. Some of those 8-9 win seasons were against totally sh*t opponents.
I don't feel like going and getting records of sec teams we beat between 2009-2011 and 2020-2022. Perhaps someone will help me out. We're only comparing sec records though, so OOC isn't necessary
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11-21-2022, 07:42 PM
#149
Originally Posted by
msstate7
I don't feel like going and getting records of sec teams we beat between 2009-2011 and 2020-2022. Perhaps someone will help me out. We're only comparing sec records though, so OOC isn't necessary
Riiiiiiiight... YOU have no time for stats or an argument. LOLZ!! Or maybe the stats didn't aide your defense?? Here, I'll help you out... Mullen won 10 SEC games in his first three years and exactly one had a winning record! That was an 8-5 UF team in 2010.
Last edited by Turfdawg67; 11-21-2022 at 07:53 PM.
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11-21-2022, 07:52 PM
#150
Originally Posted by
Turfdawg67
Riiiiiiiight... YOU have no time for stats or an argument. LOLZ!! Or maybe the stats didn't aide your defense?? Here, I'll help you out... Mullen won 10 SEC games in his first three years and exactly one had a winning record! That was an 8-5 UF team in 2009.
By my quick look, leach has only beat 1 sec team with a winning record in 3 years also, Kentucky last year
ETA... not sure if you talking about sec winning records or overall.
Last edited by msstate7; 11-21-2022 at 07:54 PM.
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11-21-2022, 07:53 PM
#151
Originally Posted by
Turfdawg67
Riiiiiiiight... YOU have no time for stats or an argument. LOLZ!! Or maybe the stats didn't aide your defense?? Here, I'll help you out... Mullen won 10 SEC games in his first three years and exactly one had a winning record! That was an 8-5 UF team in 2009.
That Florida win was in 2010. In 2009 we beat both Kentucky and UM (ranked) with winning records.
I wonder what our record this year would be like if it mirrored Dan's 3rd in 2011. If Will missed as much time and was as hurt as much as Chris Relf was in 2011.
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11-21-2022, 07:54 PM
#152
Originally Posted by
msstate7
By my quick look, leach has only beat 1 sec team with a winning record in 3 years also, Kentucky last year
Dan had 3 wins vs SEC teams with winning records his first 3 years.
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11-21-2022, 07:56 PM
#153
Originally Posted by
msstate7
By my quick look, leach has only beat 1 sec team with a winning record in 3 years also, Kentucky last year
ETA... not sure if you talking about sec winning records or overall.
I'm saying THEY (DM & ML) are basically the same... as I have from the start. That's all.
Last edited by Turfdawg67; 11-21-2022 at 08:28 PM.
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11-21-2022, 07:59 PM
#154
I think the eye test (based on my memory which definitely isn't perfect) shows that 3rd year Mullen is a little better than 3rd year Leach but I just don't think you can make a fair comparison on paper because the Covid year (Spring practice and the season) was so different than any other year in college football.
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11-21-2022, 08:04 PM
#155
Originally Posted by
Really Clark?
Dan had 3 wins vs SEC teams with winning records his first 3 years.
Went by my original post a few days ago, but you are correct... 7-6 UK and a 9-4 OM (crazy how the wheels came off that Nutt program after that).
So they both have 3 wins, against SEC teams with winning records, in their first 3 years. And Leach has one more chance to break the tie!! Hope you two are rooting for him to do just so!
ETA: I know both of you are pulling for Leach on Thursday.
Last edited by Turfdawg67; 11-21-2022 at 08:18 PM.
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11-21-2022, 08:26 PM
#156
Originally Posted by
LC Dawg
I think the eye test (based on my memory which definitely isn't perfect) shows that 3rd year Mullen is a little better than 3rd year Leach but I just don't think you can make a fair comparison on paper because the Covid year (Spring practice and the season) was so different than any other year in college football.
I agree for the most part, and then came South Alabama in what, year 6? Remember that smirk at the end of the game? Everyone on here lost their ever freaking minds! I defended ole Dan saying he was basically in shock that he'd just lost to that team. And I still believe that, shocked and embarrassed.
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11-21-2022, 10:56 PM
#157
Ultimately there's no need to have a big Mullen vs. Leach argument since they're both very solid coaches who've set a new baseline expectation for Mississippi State, winning at a level that most coaches out there wouldn't be able to do.
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11-23-2022, 08:05 AM
#158
Member
I think that we have hit our ceiling without a slight upgrade in recruiting talent.
Also anytime I start to think about Mullen with maroon colored glasses, I think about Holloway being sent up the middle. Awesome running back but didn?t need to be running the ball between the tackles!
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